Libido issues on cycle (letro to blame?)

freshr1 · 03-17-2003, 01:55 PM

Hey guys, I'm in week 10 of my cycle. I did the following :

week 1-4 40mg dbol ed
week 1-6 250mg sust + 75mg fina eod (about ~900mg test/week)
week 6-now 250mg sust + 150mg fina eod, 25mg proviron, t3 pyramid

When I upped the fina and started to diet down, I added bromo (1/2 tab ed) and also did the switch from arimidex to letrozole (ed). My sex drive has completely gone to shit. I blamed the letro first, so I dropped it to once a week (!) but still my sex drive isn't too great. I like the bromo, it's keeping my apetite down and apparently it has pro sexual effects, so it couldnt be that, right? Is it just too much fina for the amount of test I'm taking?! What the fuck is up, I'm at the end of my rope here. I started upping my proviron to 50mg ed (Anabolic Cascader (tm) style), but I suppose I won't see the results of that for a little while. ANY ideas? Should I drop the letro completely and go back to arimidex? I know that when I was taking letro ed, I didnt even want to touch my girl with a 10 foot pole. Could it be the T3?

Thanks for any help.

--
"Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." - Samuel Johnson

GearJuice · 03-17-2003, 03:23 PM

For me it was the letrozole completley lost all sexuall appetite I was only taking half tab EOD I had to come off completly and my sex drive came back

A2dK · 03-17-2003, 03:36 PM

Are you on a very strict diet? That could be the cause. Stress also has a major influence on libido.

freshr1 · 03-17-2003, 03:39 PM

GearJuice : How long did it take for your libido to return? Thing is I don't have any other anti-e's right now, so I'm a bit scared to come off (my already low dose) of letro. I'll just have to completely come off it. I've never experienced this kind of loss in sex drive.

A2dk : Yes I'm on a pretty strict diet. I'm about 232, 10% , and I'm eating ~2000-2200 kcals/day. Low carb, except pre-post workout and once a week a carb load.

--
"Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." - Samuel Johnson

archive_therealj · 03-17-2003, 04:20 PM

we'll fix this on msn when I get off work

...you need to drop the letro and cut the tren dosage back...

archive_macrophage69alpha · 03-17-2003, 05:34 PM

add clomid 1/2 tab (25mg ed or eod)

MP

archive_therealj · 03-17-2003, 05:50 PM

MP...he doesn't have any clomid...will dropping the letro and adding nolva along with the proviron serve any purpose?

daddyfranny · 03-17-2003, 05:54 PM

i think it's from the fina. i just finished a 10 week cycle of test 500mg wk and fina 75mg ed. my sex drive was almost none existant while on, even with the test. now i have dropped the fina but kept the test and added winny and in less than 2 weeks my sex drive is in full force. for that reason alone i will never do fina again, i was running out of excuses for my girl when i could only get a semi or none at all. and when i did it took some work. letrozole on the other hand never gave me this problem, i'm also on 1mg of arimidex ed.

archive_Ulter · 03-17-2003, 06:02 PM

It could be the fina or the let. They both trash your sex drive so it's a coin toss.

freshr1 · 03-17-2003, 06:37 PM

I do have some clomid left, so I'll add that. I was using it actually, 50mg ed, up until recently. Maybe that's why my sex drive started to go recently... too many variables! Time to cut down the tren, drop the letro and see what happens. Then re-introduce them slowly one by one.

South of the border · 03-17-2003, 07:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> I started upping my proviron to 50mg ed (Anabolic Cascader (tm) style), but I suppose I won't see the results of that for a little while. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> It could be the fina or the let. They both trash your sex drive so it's a coin toss <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Too many drugs!

We are at a point where we are taking drugs to "subdue" the side effects of the drugs that are taken to reduce the side effects of gear.

Some kind of vicious cycle...

Am I the only one to see it that way?

archive_therealj · 03-17-2003, 07:45 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by freshr1:
I do have some clomid left, so I'll add that. .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

my appologies...it appears he's been holding out on me

freshr1 · 03-18-2003, 10:09 AM

South : No, I don't think you're the first to notice this. I think it was Bjarki who called it "anabolic cascading" first. How true! I never thought I'd do it, but here I am. I started out with a super simple test/fina cycle and now look.

therealj : I'd never hold out on you sweetie. It's EYEPEE clomid, so you know it's probably not really clomid. Placebo effect is a pretty powerful thing though

AAnnyway, my sex drive seems to be slowly returning. The clomid seems to help, and I temporarily dropped the fina and upped the test. Let's see what pops up

Too bad about letro's apparent sexual sides. It works so damn well, it blows arimidex out of the water.

--
"Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." - Samuel Johnson

SlateDrake · 03-19-2003, 02:14 PM

I had no idea that letro could kill your libido...

Does anyone know if this holds true for Arimidex or Aromasin?????

Thanks,

Slate

DaMan · 03-19-2003, 03:27 PM

No on Arimidex, FUCK YEAH on Femara, and we'll see on Aromasin. Will do same cycle w/ it in ca 3 months.

SlateDrake · 03-20-2003, 07:33 AM

Thanks bro,

Looks like Arimidex for me next time.

freshr1 · 03-20-2003, 01:01 PM

Update :

My sex drive is back, thank god. I added clomid 50mg/ed, dropped the tren & letro and took a shot of 500mg sust. I'm gonna start slowly reintroducing the items I dropped to see which one the actual culprit was.

--
"Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." - Samuel Johnson

03-17-2003, 01:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
freshr1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 282 Rep Power: 5861	Libido issues on cycle (letro to blame?) Hey guys, I'm in week 10 of my cycle. I did the following : week 1-4 40mg dbol ed week 1-6 250mg sust + 75mg fina eod (about ~900mg test/week) week 6-now 250mg sust + 150mg fina eod, 25mg proviron, t3 pyramid When I upped the fina and started to diet down, I added bromo (1/2 tab ed) and also did the switch from arimidex to letrozole (ed). My sex drive has completely gone to shit. I blamed the letro first, so I dropped it to once a week (!) but still my sex drive isn't too great. I like the bromo, it's keeping my apetite down and apparently it has pro sexual effects, so it couldnt be that, right? Is it just too much fina for the amount of test I'm taking?! What the fuck is up, I'm at the end of my rope here. I started upping my proviron to 50mg ed (Anabolic Cascader (tm) style), but I suppose I won't see the results of that for a little while. ANY ideas? Should I drop the letro completely and go back to arimidex? I know that when I was taking letro ed, I didnt even want to touch my girl with a 10 foot pole. Could it be the T3? Thanks for any help. -- "Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." - Samuel Johnson __________________ -- &quot;Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good.&quot; - Samuel Johnson

03-17-2003, 03:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
freshr1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 282 Rep Power: 5861	GearJuice : How long did it take for your libido to return? Thing is I don't have any other anti-e's right now, so I'm a bit scared to come off (my already low dose) of letro. I'll just have to completely come off it. I've never experienced this kind of loss in sex drive. A2dk : Yes I'm on a pretty strict diet. I'm about 232, 10% , and I'm eating ~2000-2200 kcals/day. Low carb, except pre-post workout and once a week a carb load. -- "Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." - Samuel Johnson __________________ -- &quot;Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good.&quot; - Samuel Johnson

03-17-2003, 05:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
archive_macrophage69alpha Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,101 Rep Power: 7020	add clomid 1/2 tab (25mg ed or eod) MP __________________ MP

03-17-2003, 06:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	It could be the fina or the let. They both trash your sex drive so it's a coin toss. __________________

03-17-2003, 06:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
freshr1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 282 Rep Power: 5861	I do have some clomid left, so I'll add that. I was using it actually, 50mg ed, up until recently. Maybe that's why my sex drive started to go recently... too many variables! Time to cut down the tren, drop the letro and see what happens. Then re-introduce them slowly one by one. __________________ -- &quot;Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good.&quot; - Samuel Johnson

03-17-2003, 03:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
GearJuice Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 27 Rep Power: 4636	For me it was the letrozole completley lost all sexuall appetite I was only taking half tab EOD I had to come off completly and my sex drive came back

03-17-2003, 03:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
A2dK Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 95 Rep Power: 5766	Are you on a very strict diet? That could be the cause. Stress also has a major influence on libido.

03-17-2003, 04:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
archive_therealj Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 2,439 Rep Power: 8404	we'll fix this on msn when I get off work ...you need to drop the letro and cut the tren dosage back...

03-17-2003, 05:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
archive_therealj Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 2,439 Rep Power: 8404	MP...he doesn't have any clomid...will dropping the letro and adding nolva along with the proviron serve any purpose?

03-17-2003, 05:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
daddyfranny Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 5573	i think it's from the fina. i just finished a 10 week cycle of test 500mg wk and fina 75mg ed. my sex drive was almost none existant while on, even with the test. now i have dropped the fina but kept the test and added winny and in less than 2 weeks my sex drive is in full force. for that reason alone i will never do fina again, i was running out of excuses for my girl when i could only get a semi or none at all. and when i did it took some work. letrozole on the other hand never gave me this problem, i'm also on 1mg of arimidex ed.

03-17-2003, 07:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
South of the border Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 948 Rep Power: 6611	<BLOCKQUOTE class="-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I started upping my proviron to 50mg ed (Anabolic Cascader (tm) style), but I suppose I won't see the results of that for a little while. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE class="-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> It could be the fina or the let. They both trash your sex drive so it's a coin toss <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Too many drugs! We are at a point where we are taking drugs to "subdue" the side effects of the drugs that are taken to reduce the side effects of gear. Some kind of vicious cycle... Am I the only one to see it that way?

03-17-2003, 07:45 PM	#12 (permalink)
archive_therealj Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 2,439 Rep Power: 8404	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by freshr1: I do have some clomid left, so I'll add that. .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> my appologies...it appears he's been holding out on me

03-18-2003, 10:09 AM	#13 (permalink)
freshr1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 282 Rep Power: 5861	South : No, I don't think you're the first to notice this. I think it was Bjarki who called it "anabolic cascading" first. How true! I never thought I'd do it, but here I am. I started out with a super simple test/fina cycle and now look. therealj : I'd never hold out on you sweetie. It's EYEPEE clomid, so you know it's probably not really clomid. Placebo effect is a pretty powerful thing though AAnnyway, my sex drive seems to be slowly returning. The clomid seems to help, and I temporarily dropped the fina and upped the test. Let's see what pops up Too bad about letro's apparent sexual sides. It works so damn well, it blows arimidex out of the water. -- "Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." - Samuel Johnson __________________ -- &quot;Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good.&quot; - Samuel Johnson

03-19-2003, 02:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
SlateDrake Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 4673	I had no idea that letro could kill your libido... Does anyone know if this holds true for Arimidex or Aromasin????? Thanks, Slate

03-19-2003, 03:27 PM	#15 (permalink)
DaMan Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 735 Rep Power: 6156	No on Arimidex, FUCK YEAH on Femara, and we'll see on Aromasin. Will do same cycle w/ it in ca 3 months.

03-20-2003, 07:33 AM	#16 (permalink)
SlateDrake Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 4673	Thanks bro, Looks like Arimidex for me next time.

03-20-2003, 01:01 PM	#17 (permalink)
freshr1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 282 Rep Power: 5861	Update : My sex drive is back, thank god. I added clomid 50mg/ed, dropped the tren & letro and took a shot of 500mg sust. I'm gonna start slowly reintroducing the items I dropped to see which one the actual culprit was. -- "Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." - Samuel Johnson __________________ -- &quot;Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good.&quot; - Samuel Johnson

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