There seems to be some debate on the ability to remove the estradiol from Synovex - Any opinions here?

[archive_Bjaarki]

I've been studying the idea of making testosterone propionate from Synovex, a cattle implant. Home-brewed tren is fun, and the idea of producing 20g of test prop for about the price of a small pizza party would turn anyone's head.

I've spoken to a few bros about this, and it seems doable. However, this thread on another board got me thinking.

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum...0&pagenumber=1

What's the consensus on this? Can you extract estradiol-free test prop from Synovex, or is that a fond delusion? I know nothing about the chemistry of all this, someone starts talking about decoupling isomers and stuff and my eyes roll back in my head. So ... some no-nonsense, very clear (hint-hint, Macro) advice on this would be much appreciated.

Bjaarki

... Then, do what you have to do.

[archive_Flash]

You and me both B.

I think the solubulizer is an acid(dont know which one) , but I think HCL would be good. HCL would pull the OH's off the estradiol, and replace them with Na. This gives you a water soluble estrogen ion and some more H20. the prop wont be H20 soluble, so you filter off the prop and throw out the estrogen.

I'd test the MP before attempting to make a sterile soloution.

DO NOT TRY THIS. THIS IS ONLY A GUESS AT THE PROCEDURE.

PuMp Up ThE VaLiUm

[archive_Caligula]

All I can go by is what I have noticed when I injected converted synovex without the estrodiol removed and injecting after it was supposedly removed with a kit. The first way left me with itchy swollen nips and good gains. The second way left me without itchy swollen nips and equal gains. So it seems to me that the estrodiol has been removed and numerous testimony's of other people have shown the same results.



"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[archive_Flash]

I just read through that thread. I probly should have read it first. Anyway, untill Im shown otherwise (and my bets are on BB or macro showing me the light) I thin the aqueous HCL may be a good home route.

PuMp Up ThE VaLiUm

[archive_Bjaarki]

I was really hoping we could get Macro to come in and settle this hash. C'mon, Big Dog! We are assembled at thy feet, awaiting thy counsel.

[e-double]

Just a quick side note B., I'm sure many have had great success with the conversion at least the actual process, I on the other hand found it a bit too time consuming to try again anytime soon. Especially given that test can be found inexpensively.

I'm not contesting the effectiveness of A's kit BTW, as I love the T.A. kits and the results.

As far as the results go, I never tried my finished product so I can't comment.

[archive_Caligula]

Dazed makes a kit that is much simpler to follow than Animal. Go to synokit.com to check out the procedure.



"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[archive_therealj]

too much work in my opinion...I'd rather pay $35 and get 10ml/100mg with a nice pretty label

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when in doubt ask yourself "what would Munzer do?"

[archive_Caligula]

where's your work ethic...


And besides...this way you could get 10ml of 100mg and pay about $12 for it. And you can make your own label!



"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[archive_therealj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Caligula:
where's your work ethic...


And besides...this way you could get 10ml of 100mg and pay about $12 for it. And you can make your own label!

http://www.anabolicfitness.net/images/caligula.jpg

"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


my labels suck,lol

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when in doubt ask yourself "what would Munzer do?"

[BGMKE7]

an easy way to do it is dissovle crushed pellets in acetone,then filter,then pour into a crystalizing dish(this dish just looks like any eye glass shaped dish and it should be made out of glass,not porceilen,or ceramic)i used 8oz of acetone for 1 cartridge of synovex.when this solution dries you will see 2 distinct crystales on the glass plate.the top one is your estrogen and the bottom will be your testosterone.just scrape off the outer ring of estrogen and you got your test.

[archive_Caligula]

I don't know if I totally agree with you on that one...how in the world could that be true?



"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[Brainwashed]

Caligula's way is easy. It only takes a few hours and the results speak for themselves.

This is my first cycle so take that into consideration. I'm just taking test prop (from the synovex) 500mg per week. 200Mon/100Wed/200Fri. No sign of gyno here and my strength and weight have increase signifigantly. I'm hooked.


...Still learning

[BGMKE7]

caligula:
i have done it this way many times.you will see 2 diff crystalles.the estrogen will my tight snowflake like crystalles and the testosterone will be long icicle like crystalles.the estrogen is lighter then the test thats why it will float on top and crystalize first.the test is heavier and will sink to the bottom of the dish and crystalize last.try it.you will see.

[archive_Flash]

maybe someone will do an MP on a couple of samples after using synokit.

PuMp Up ThE VaLiUm

[archive_Caligula]

I have done it that way. The problem lies in the fact that after everything has evaporated that you will still have estrogen lying on top of your test crystals. So just by scraping off the crust on the edges of the plate isn't going to cut it...you will still have some estrogen in there. It's not like you can reach in there and peel the estrogen off.

(And not that I'm doubting you on this next thing, it's just I have never heard of this so embellish me)

Where did you hear that the estrogen floats to the top anyways? I've never heard of anything like that and if it's true can you post something to prove it or get some backing from someone with the definate knowledge.

Also...some of the test crystals are small, not all of them are extremely large. How do you tell the difference between really small test crystals and estrogen crystals. It would seem to me that if you just took the large test crystals to be on the safe side then you are going to lose a lot of test that way. I don't see why you don't just purchase a kit (it's not that expensive) and be on the safe side.



"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[archive_LuckyDog]

Guys, still want to hear Macro's opinion on all of this so hopefully he'll be along soon...."Macro, Macro, Macro"....The crowd chanted "Macro" and then he didn't show....


LD

Education is a continuous process ending only when ambition comes to a halt.
-Col. R. I. Rees

[BGMKE7]

ok i see what your saying and your partial right.its not that the esrtogen is lying on top,its that some of the estrogen crystalizes in a layer along with the test,its not a definite line so to speak.i wasnt saying that this way would extract all estrogen.i thought the post was about if it was possible to remove estradiol from synovex.but,the process could be repeated to ensure all estrogen is removed.i never did that and the estrogen sides werent that bad.these kits werent around when i was doing this.this was before everyone and there mother knew about the cattle implants.after i was done i would weigh out the estrogen and the test to see if the ratio was about right and then go from there.as far as the estrogen floating on top i guess i should say that it would crystalize first because it molecular weight is lighter than the test.so the test will stay to the center because its heavier and thus crystalize last.i would usually lose about 300mg out of the 2000mg per cartridge and at the time this was well worth it.

[archive_Caligula]

Dazed has an article called the synovex solution which is a very similar process to which you speak of but involves using heat to diferentiate between the two crystals along with weighing. If someone didn't have access to the kits then that would be better than nothing, but nowadays you could save yourself alot of trouble by buying a kit. I would also assume that by doing it that way you have to basically "get better at it" as time goes on. Some of today's kits are foolproof and would be well worth the money.



"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

[Billy_Bathgate]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flash:
You and me both B.

I think the solubulizer is an acid(dont know which one) , but I think HCL would be good. HCL would pull the OH's off the estradiol, and replace them with Na. This gives you a water soluble estrogen ion and some more H20. the prop wont be H20 soluble, so you filter off the prop and throw out the estrogen.

I'd test the MP before attempting to make a sterile soloution.

_DO NOT TRY THIS. THIS IS ONLY A GUESS AT THE PROCEDURE._

_PuMp Up ThE VaLiUm_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, no acid used. Doesnt quite work like that. A base is used. HCL wouldnt pull of the alcohol groups. Esters are formed by an alcohol forming with an carboxyll acid, not by displacement. Na wont bing with estrogen either, as it is ionic in nature.

A strong base will give you supension a tertiary base will give you prop.

The estrogen is salted if enough excess base is present.

Remeber, esters are organic acids. In the presence of a base they will be sapinofied (Ar1 reaction). In very high presence, estrogen will convert to its salt form.

[bkrquads]

I have been on test suspension from synovex going on week 3 now and must say DAMN. I didn't convert it using a kit, I used sodium hydroxide. The powder was converted into a oil based injectable.

I am currently using 100mg ED. I have noticed hardly any estrogenic sides, maybe a tiny bit of water retention, similar to what I have experienced with the same dose of prop. My strength and overall fullness has increased tremendously. I am seriously amazed at how my body is responding to the suspension (I was a little afraid of the storied of bloating). My last cycle was 100mg ED test prop from synovex but for that I used dazed's synokit.

[mondo]

so,how was dazed's kit final product? was it just like any other prop shot or did you think it was different. i've been looking at trying his experiment since it's so much easier then A's method.

[EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER]

What about finakits? Are theres any good?