Noticed something interesting

tripod · 02-13-2003, 10:08 AM

I bought a blood glucose tester and have been monitoring how my body responds to different things I eat. I'm having an unexpected response to coffee. Before the coffee, I was at 83, 45 minutes after a large coffee with non-dairy creamer (no fat, carbs, or protein) and 2 sweet-n-lows, my glucose level shot up to 128! Any ideas why this might be? It looks like coffee will spike my insulin and therefore not a good idea while cutting.

Mister B. · 02-13-2003, 10:25 AM

Others on this board have stated that the "sweetness" of sugar replacements causes insulin to react as if you ate sugar anyway.

Pavlovian response?

Sensor in the tongue causes the reaction... couldn't find the post (I seem to suck at searches).

Quite an interesting observation. All I can say is shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

B

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archive_Mr. Nobody · 02-13-2003, 11:19 AM

check out testosterone.net, there was a discussion about that....

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Verbal Gorilla · 02-13-2003, 01:07 PM

Thinking about sweet food (or ANY food) can spike insulin levels...

Mister B. · 02-13-2003, 01:08 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Verbal Gorilla:
Thinking about sweet food (or ANY food) can spike insulin levels...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL, well... I'm HOOPED!!

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archive_macrophage69alpha · 02-13-2003, 01:42 PM

Pharmacol Res 1995 Sep;32(3):129-33 Related Articles, Links

Metabolic and hormone-related responses to caffeine in rats.

Leblanc J, Richard D, Racotta IS.

Departement de Physiologie, Faculte de Medecine, Universite Laval, Quebec, Canada.

The time course of effects of caffeine on plasma glucose and non-esterified fatty acids (NEFA) were measured and related to various hormonal responses associated with substrate mobilization and utilization. Participation of the sympatho-adrenal system (SAS) in the metabolic and hormonal actions of caffeine was also investigated by the use of ganglionic blockade. Following 50 mg kg-1 i.p. injections of caffeine in rats, plasma glucose increased 25% and NEFA 40%, and these actions were parallelled by an elevation of plasma insulin, ACTH and corticosterone, without changes in glucagon. It is suggested that the insulin response is related to the plasma glucose increase and possibly also to an action of cAMP. When caffeine was injected in rats previously treated with the ganglionic blocker, hexamethonium, none of the responses mentioned above were modified. These results show that the glucose and NEFA responses are independent of glucagon secretion and are due not only to SAS activation but also to other mechanisms such as the increased ACTH and corticosterone secretion. It is also suggested that the mobilization of substrates by caffeine is mediated, through these various mechanisms, by the activation of cAMP and by phosphodiesterase inhibition.

caffiene raises both blood glucose and subsequently insulin...

MP

freshr1 · 02-13-2003, 02:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by macrophage69alpha:
caffiene raises both blood glucose and subsequently insulin...

MP<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ARGHHHh.. is nothing sacred!?! How will I live without my Diet Coke...

--
"Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." - Samuel Johnson

archive_macrophage69alpha · 02-13-2003, 03:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by freshr1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by macrophage69alpha:
caffiene raises both blood glucose and subsequently insulin...

MP<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ARGHHHh.. is nothing sacred!?! How will I live without my Diet Coke...

--
"Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." - Samuel Johnson
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

caffiene is quite lipolytic.. it just has negative impact on insulin sensitivity and secretion.. the addition of glucorellR (r-ala) will offset this completely..

MP

jimm · 02-13-2003, 08:11 PM

caffeine facilitates carbohydrate metabolism, no? your blood sugar went up, then your insulin spiked. is that what you meant?

your life is a whim in the mind of the Creator

tripod · 02-13-2003, 08:32 PM

I don't know how my insulin levels were affected - I couldn't measure that. All I know is that the coffee caused my glucose level to rise.

archive_the truth · 02-13-2003, 08:49 PM

I've wondered about this--I'm on a keto diet (staying well under 20 gr carbs/day) and I like to have one coffee with cream after dinner. Am I in danger of getting out of ketosis? I feel like I'm always in ketosis and generally don't exceed 11 gr carbs/day. I'm thinking because of the transient nature of the insulin surge that even if I get out of ketosis (pretty sure this is not happening), I'll drop right back into it.

Macro, Ulter--any comments?

archive_Loco · 02-14-2003, 09:48 PM

Guess it's good I like my coffee black.

Fonz · 02-15-2003, 12:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by the truth:
I've wondered about this--I'm on a keto diet (staying well under 20 gr carbs/day) and I like to have one coffee with cream after dinner. Am I in danger of getting out of ketosis? I feel like I'm always in ketosis and generally don't exceed 11 gr carbs/day. I'm thinking because of the transient nature of the insulin surge that even if I get out of ketosis (pretty sure this is not happening), I'll drop right back into it.

Macro, Ulter--any comments?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its not the caffeine that kicks you out of ketosis.

Its the Citric Acid in Diet Sodas.

It re-starts the Krebs Cycle, kicking you out of a ketogenic state.

Fonz

No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain

----Barcelona 1992

02-13-2003, 10:08 AM	#1 (permalink)
tripod Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 68 Rep Power: 5125	Noticed something interesting I bought a blood glucose tester and have been monitoring how my body responds to different things I eat. I'm having an unexpected response to coffee. Before the coffee, I was at 83, 45 minutes after a large coffee with non-dairy creamer (no fat, carbs, or protein) and 2 sweet-n-lows, my glucose level shot up to 128! Any ideas why this might be? It looks like coffee will spike my insulin and therefore not a good idea while cutting.

02-13-2003, 10:25 AM	#2 (permalink)
Mister B. Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 817 Rep Power: 5510	Others on this board have stated that the "sweetness" of sugar replacements causes insulin to react as if you ate sugar anyway. Pavlovian response? Sensor in the tongue causes the reaction... couldn't find the post (I seem to suck at searches). Quite an interesting observation. All I can say is shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. B --------------------- Cycle? What's a cycle? __________________ --------------------- &quot;Um... I checked around. The girls are calling you &quot;fatty-fat fat fat&quot;, and Nelson&apos;s planning to pull down your pants, but ... nobody&apos;s trying to kill ya.&quot; &quot; -- Milhouse

02-13-2003, 01:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mister B. Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 817 Rep Power: 5510	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Verbal Gorilla: Thinking about sweet food (or ANY food) can spike insulin levels...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> LOL, well... I'm HOOPED!! --------------------- Cycle? What's a cycle? __________________ --------------------- &quot;Um... I checked around. The girls are calling you &quot;fatty-fat fat fat&quot;, and Nelson&apos;s planning to pull down your pants, but ... nobody&apos;s trying to kill ya.&quot; &quot; -- Milhouse

02-13-2003, 01:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
archive_macrophage69alpha Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,101 Rep Power: 7020	Pharmacol Res 1995 Sep;32(3):129-33 Related Articles, Links Metabolic and hormone-related responses to caffeine in rats. Leblanc J, Richard D, Racotta IS. Departement de Physiologie, Faculte de Medecine, Universite Laval, Quebec, Canada. The time course of effects of caffeine on plasma glucose and non-esterified fatty acids (NEFA) were measured and related to various hormonal responses associated with substrate mobilization and utilization. Participation of the sympatho-adrenal system (SAS) in the metabolic and hormonal actions of caffeine was also investigated by the use of ganglionic blockade. Following 50 mg kg-1 i.p. injections of caffeine in rats, plasma glucose increased 25% and NEFA 40%, and these actions were parallelled by an elevation of plasma insulin, ACTH and corticosterone, without changes in glucagon. It is suggested that the insulin response is related to the plasma glucose increase and possibly also to an action of cAMP. When caffeine was injected in rats previously treated with the ganglionic blocker, hexamethonium, none of the responses mentioned above were modified. These results show that the glucose and NEFA responses are independent of glucagon secretion and are due not only to SAS activation but also to other mechanisms such as the increased ACTH and corticosterone secretion. It is also suggested that the mobilization of substrates by caffeine is mediated, through these various mechanisms, by the activation of cAMP and by phosphodiesterase inhibition. caffiene raises both blood glucose and subsequently insulin... MP __________________ MP

02-13-2003, 02:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
freshr1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 282 Rep Power: 5861	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by macrophage69alpha: caffiene raises both blood glucose and subsequently insulin... MP<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> ARGHHHh.. is nothing sacred!?! How will I live without my Diet Coke... -- "Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." - Samuel Johnson __________________ -- &quot;Your work is both good and original. Unfortunately the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good.&quot; - Samuel Johnson

02-13-2003, 11:19 AM	#3 (permalink)
archive_Mr. Nobody Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 11939	check out testosterone.net, there was a discussion about that.... Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

02-13-2003, 01:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
Verbal Gorilla Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 165 Rep Power: 6108	Thinking about sweet food (or ANY food) can spike insulin levels...

02-13-2003, 08:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
jimm Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 107 Rep Power: 4648	caffeine facilitates carbohydrate metabolism, no? your blood sugar went up, then your insulin spiked. is that what you meant? your life is a whim in the mind of the Creator __________________ your life is a whim in the mind of the Creator

02-13-2003, 08:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
tripod Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 68 Rep Power: 5125	I don't know how my insulin levels were affected - I couldn't measure that. All I know is that the coffee caused my glucose level to rise.

02-13-2003, 08:49 PM	#11 (permalink)
archive_the truth Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 579 Rep Power: 6354	I've wondered about this--I'm on a keto diet (staying well under 20 gr carbs/day) and I like to have one coffee with cream after dinner. Am I in danger of getting out of ketosis? I feel like I'm always in ketosis and generally don't exceed 11 gr carbs/day. I'm thinking because of the transient nature of the insulin surge that even if I get out of ketosis (pretty sure this is not happening), I'll drop right back into it. Macro, Ulter--any comments?

02-14-2003, 09:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
archive_Loco Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 724 Rep Power: 6513	Guess it's good I like my coffee black.

02-15-2003, 12:41 PM	#13 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7624	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by the truth: I've wondered about this--I'm on a keto diet (staying well under 20 gr carbs/day) and I like to have one coffee with cream after dinner. Am I in danger of getting out of ketosis? I feel like I'm always in ketosis and generally don't exceed 11 gr carbs/day. I'm thinking because of the transient nature of the insulin surge that even if I get out of ketosis (pretty sure this is not happening), I'll drop right back into it. Macro, Ulter--any comments?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Its not the caffeine that kicks you out of ketosis. Its the Citric Acid in Diet Sodas. It re-starts the Krebs Cycle, kicking you out of a ketogenic state. Fonz No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain ----Barcelona 1992 __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

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