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Old 02-12-2003, 10:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I wanna give up my no-carb diet cuz I hate it in lieu of a CLEAN hi protein, moderate carb, lo fat diet.

I'm concerned about slin, though. Specifically, assume that ingesting 100g of carbs causes my pancreas to release 10iu of slin. Now assume I ingested 100g of CHO with 300mg of r-ALA. Effect on plasma serum?

For the record I am VERY sensitive to carbs as far as fat gain goes. And I'm on fina & t3 and stuff.
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Old 02-12-2003, 10:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Your pancreas will never release any amount close to 10iu of slin.


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Old 02-12-2003, 10:50 AM   #3 (permalink)
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1. THE NUMBERS ARE EXAMPLES. OBVIOUSLY. THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

2. Something I forgot to mention - the alternative on my diet to those 100g of CHO would be 40g of fat (again, example!!!), which is less desirable taste-wise.
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As more people start using r-ALA The Atkin's and Keto diets will become dinosaurs.
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DaMan,

I think youll be very happy with the diet change. No more feeling like a sack of poop.
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Old 02-12-2003, 11:22 AM   #6 (permalink)
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DaMan:
1. THE NUMBERS ARE EXAMPLES. OBVIOUSLY. THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

2. Something I forgot to mention - the alternative on my diet to those 100g of CHO would be 40g of fat (again, example!!!), which is less desirable taste-wise.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The only thing apart from Fina that will change your fat-gain set point values for a normal meal is GH.

r-ala will also help. But not as much as GH.

2IU/day is sufficient.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DaMan:
I wanna give up my no-carb diet cuz I hate it in lieu of a CLEAN hi protein, moderate carb, lo fat diet.

I'm concerned about slin, though. Specifically, assume that ingesting 100g of carbs causes my pancreas to release 10iu of slin. Now assume I ingested 100g of CHO with 300mg of r-ALA. Effect on plasma serum?

For the record I am VERY sensitive to carbs as far as fat gain goes. And I'm on fina & t3 and stuff.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

are you less sensitive to carbs when on fina? or more? -- it varies..

dosage of r-ala can be adjusted up or down dependent on other exogenous factors that affect slin release and sensitivity...

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by macrophage69alpha:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DaMan:
I wanna give up my no-carb diet cuz I hate it in lieu of a CLEAN hi protein, moderate carb, lo fat diet.

I'm concerned about slin, though. Specifically, assume that ingesting 100g of carbs causes my pancreas to release 10iu of slin. Now assume I ingested 100g of CHO with 300mg of r-ALA. Effect on plasma serum?

For the record I am VERY sensitive to carbs as far as fat gain goes. And I'm on fina & t3 and stuff.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

are you less sensitive to carbs when on fina? or more? -- it varies..

dosage of r-ala can be adjusted up or down dependent on other exogenous factors that affect slin release and sensitivity...

MP<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Come to think of it A LOT less sensitive to carbs on fina... that never even occurred to me, I guess its part of that "eat shit and still burn fat" thing... I didn't think fina itself had any effect on carb metabolism, but on second thought I don't see why not.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> are you less sensitive to carbs when on fina? or more? -- it varies..
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that explains why I dont seem to lose any fat on fina. Winstrol on the other hand....

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Old 02-12-2003, 10:07 PM   #10 (permalink)
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flash:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> are you less sensitive to carbs when on fina? or more? -- it varies..
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that explains why I dont seem to lose any fat on fina. Winstrol on the other hand....

_PuMp Up ThE VaLiUm_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

these are mixed progestenic agonist/antagonists.. their effects vary among genetic groups.. for example there is considerable evidence that those of african descent respond differently to progestins..
one example of this is the extreme side effects of "norplant" among african american women.. where it has been likened to chemical castration..

another issue is insulin sensitivity and carbohydrate metabolism.. which varies as well.. if ancestors ate a low carb or low glycemic carb diet.. descendants have a higher prevalence of diabetes (type II).. when consuming a modern diet.. african americans, eskimos, and american indians are some examples.. though not limited to those. there are hormonal and hormonal response factors to this as well.. particularly estrogen influence (which is mediated by progesterone.. however progestins whose activity varies.. often AGONIZE estrogenic effects)

enough rambling... for now

btw- some of the above seems incoherent.. because it is .. non traditional flow of informations and agglomeration there of

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Check out this diet it's been around for a while but is very effective. By the way R-ALA is a phenominal product we can't keep it around.

http://www.musclemedia.com/training/abcde/v58_abc1.asp
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"btw- some of the above seems incoherent.. because it is .. non traditional flow of informations and agglomeration there of "

LOL, it sounds like me on too much Neurogenex.
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