Wanna see how to do 315 X 5 with textbook form?

archive_Ulter · 01-09-2003, 02:43 PM

If you're on a dial up this will take forever. It's 3.55Mb.
This is one of the mods on our board doing 315 X 5.
Can you guess who it is?

Phuckin amazing.

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Swollen · 01-09-2003, 02:46 PM

I couldnt workout with that music... good form, I'd go a little lower.

Big is impressive
Aesthetic is inspiring

Mister B. · 01-09-2003, 02:49 PM

Wow! Is that FC?

Very impressive!!

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archive_Cyp · 01-09-2003, 03:31 PM

Nice, great form too!!!

Love the post! Keep more of them coming Ulter...

EngiCream · 01-09-2003, 03:49 PM

awesome

Skaver · 01-09-2003, 03:59 PM

Great lift.... but who is it?? FitnessChick??

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Billy_Bathgate · 01-09-2003, 03:59 PM

Im sorry...but Ive watched it like 10x now and a few things stick out to me.

It looks as though her knees start to bend before the glutes. It also looks like her knees are going too far forward. I also think that her torso should be leaned forward just a little bit more and the glutes sticking out more.

The other things that are tequnically not wrong but I disagree with are the height of the squat and the mid-narrow stance. I like to go very wide and break parallel myself, but thats just me. Nothing wrong with that.

I hate to post this, but Im just curious. I am always interested in learning about form. Perhaps someone can coment on this and discuss it with me.

Either way, that is still a good lift, esp for a woman.

BTW..this is what I consider good form personally. Feet wide apart. At execution, glutes bend first, not the knees. Torso is more forward alowing glutes to go out farther. Knees do not go forward much at all and are way behind toes.

I may aslo add that I use the "powerlifting form" of squatting.

I hope this post doesnt offend anyone, as I know it was meant as a praisal post.

Skaver · 01-09-2003, 04:07 PM

I'd also like to add "Nice buns!"...or should I say glutes. Either way, I'd spot her anyday with a rump like that.

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Mister B. · 01-09-2003, 04:11 PM

Glutes bend first... wha??? We bend at the hips or the knees. If one bends at the hips first, it'd be called a goodmorning no?

There are several valid foot stances and most recommended is shoulder-width (at least I think it is).

Also, if you stick your ass out too far or move your torso much forward, you're proning your lower back... torso should be as straight up and down as possible.

Just MHO

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Billy_Bathgate · 01-09-2003, 04:14 PM

YA i meant hips. I was gonna say "yo ass" but I wanted to be proper since it was a lady. Duh..should have said hips.

Yes it is alot more like a goodmorning. Thats why you see tons of powerlifters doing so many of them. Let me see if I can find a good clip or what I mean.

Billy_Bathgate · 01-09-2003, 04:27 PM

http://66.235.16.23/training/2002_or...squat1_733.WMV

Notice how the shins when starting make an angle with the floor and it remains the same the entire time. When he first starts, notice how he leans forward just a bit and kinda sticks his ass out and then sits down into it. The knees never move forward at all.

Thats all I really meant, hard to explain I guess. This video doesnt show it that well either as you really need a side shot, but I think youll get my point from it.

Anyways, I just find that the powerlifting method is much much safer and alot easier on the knees. It does work the glutes and hams alot more though, but neverless I love them this way and find them the most effective for me.

archive_FitnessChick · 01-09-2003, 04:28 PM

....I will say my depth on 315 isn't as good as it usually is....it's a lot of weight for me to handle....under 225 is ALWAYS much deeper. I have a tape if me doing 185~ I will send it to Ulter so you can see my normal form.

As far as my stance, I don't use a normal p.l. stance~I am a bb'er....this was the normal stance I use when I squat....I just added a few months of max wt. squats to help increase my power & strength.
I actually got 350 last night for one....hard as hell, but felt good.

Billy_Bathgate · 01-09-2003, 04:30 PM

I wasnt really talking about the stance, thats just my personal preference. Its just the knees going forward so far thing I guess. I just think that is incorrect form wether you PL, BB, or OL and can cause harm over time. Perhaps it was just the heavy weight that did it.

As I said above though, that is still very impressive. I dont mean to narc on you or anything, Im just curious of others opinions on form. Dont take offense

archive_FitnessChick · 01-09-2003, 04:35 PM

I see what you mean about his shins not moving forward at all, but man, that looks more painful on your knees and ankles then what I was doing...that is a really wide stance~I don't think I could do that if I tried! ...also, are his feet braced against the rack, or is it just the angle?

Richard Gear · 01-09-2003, 04:44 PM

Nice....

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Billy_Bathgate · 01-09-2003, 04:44 PM

Its just the angle. I myself dont even go that wide, but I might if I were to compete. Wider you are less to travel...

Actually though, I have absolutely 0 pain from doing them this way. Before I would sometimes get sore knees afterwords. By going wide like that and sitting back so much more, you transfer most of the stress onto your hips, which can take the stress much easier since they are bigger.

I was just as skeptical when I first tried them too, but I was soon amazed.

axle · 01-09-2003, 04:50 PM

Billy,

Let me ask you this. In comparing PL style squats to BB style squats, which do you feel places more emphasis on the quads? I myself also prefer the PL style moreso than typical BBer style from a comfort standpoint ie less strain on the knees; However, I feel PL squats much more in my glutes and hams as opposed to my quads.

Billy_Bathgate · 01-09-2003, 05:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by axle:
Billy,

Let me ask you this. In comparing PL style squats to BB style squats, which do you feel places more emphasis on the quads? I myself also prefer the PL style moreso than typical BBer style from a comfort standpoint ie less strain on the knees; However, I feel PL squats much more in my glutes and hams as opposed to my quads.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

PL squats I as well feel much more in my glutes and hams.

Although, when I do "BB" squats, I still do not let my knees go forward (Im not trying to suggest a BB to start doing PL work). My example is just shown better in a PL style. Thats why I chose to even mention PLing. I know FC is a BB.

Its not the tequnique that really seperates the "BB" squat and the "PL" squat, its how you train it..ie max out and speed vs high volume. If I were going to be a BBer, I would use the same form that I do now.

The amount of shear that is placed on the knees when squating with a more "knee forward" mid-narrow stance is just not worth the extra amount of work done by the quads. Id rather add some leg extentions, legg presses, lunges, etc than compromise what is in my opinion "good form".

Oddly though Ill add this, since using this wide-ass out stance aka "PL squat" I have had more of a responce in my quad development that before. Now that doesnt mean much compared to a whole, as it could just be my genetics, but I found it interesting neverless.

This is just my opinion. Ive never won any trophies or had a brilliant six pac. Ive never even been under 10% bf or had a really good tan. Its not my style really. But thats not my point. My point has nothing to do with BB or PL, just a matter of my opion which states that in general, a wider stanced, ass out, torso forward, knees back is the more correct, and safer form.

Thats all

archive_FitnessChick · 01-09-2003, 05:09 PM

Maybe it is really a personalized thing...
I feel no strain at all in a position that would make some cringe(you will see when my 185 squat goes up)....looking at a wide stance like in the above video, and doing a wider stance then what I do feels much more strained for me. I will say that the wider the stance the more I feel it in the hams, glutes, and inner thigh...the closer my stance the more I feel it in my quads.

archive_Ulter · 01-09-2003, 05:18 PM

Here is 185.

FC doing 185

archive_Ulter · 01-09-2003, 05:20 PM

Billy, How much were you squatting when you weighed 150lbs?

Billy_Bathgate · 01-09-2003, 05:22 PM

I agree. You know it must really be a personalized thing. Not just with this either. Your comment got me thinking. Alot of people dont do flat barbell bench because of shoulder pain. Well me, I dont do much more incline ever past 20degress because of shoulder pain...

Maybe Im like the opposite lol

If thats what works good for you with no pain, dont change a thing! Thats all that really matters. You obviously have good results from it as many of us have seen your outstanding photos.

01-09-2003, 02:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	Wanna see how to do 315 X 5 with textbook form? If you're on a dial up this will take forever. It's 3.55Mb. This is one of the mods on our board doing 315 X 5. Can you guess who it is? Phuckin amazing. How to Squat __________________

01-09-2003, 02:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
Swollen Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 533 Rep Power: 6302	I couldnt workout with that music... good form, I'd go a little lower. Big is impressive Aesthetic is inspiring __________________ Big is impressive, Aesthetic is inspiring

01-09-2003, 02:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mister B. Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 817 Rep Power: 5510	Wow! Is that FC? Very impressive!! B --------------------- GETTIN' HARD!! __________________ --------------------- &quot;Um... I checked around. The girls are calling you &quot;fatty-fat fat fat&quot;, and Nelson&apos;s planning to pull down your pants, but ... nobody&apos;s trying to kill ya.&quot; &quot; -- Milhouse

01-09-2003, 03:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
Skaver Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 396 Rep Power: 5811	Great lift.... but who is it?? FitnessChick?? ** Magnus Validus Formosus __________________ Magnus Validus Formosus **

01-09-2003, 04:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
Skaver Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 396 Rep Power: 5811	I'd also like to add "Nice buns!"...or should I say glutes. Either way, I'd spot her anyday with a rump like that. ** Magnus Validus Formosus __________________ Magnus Validus Formosus **

01-09-2003, 03:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
archive_Cyp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 786 Rep Power: 6069	Nice, great form too!!! Love the post! Keep more of them coming Ulter...

01-09-2003, 03:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
EngiCream Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 247 Rep Power: 5728	awesome

01-09-2003, 03:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
Billy_Bathgate Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,278 Rep Power: 7041	Im sorry...but Ive watched it like 10x now and a few things stick out to me. It looks as though her knees start to bend before the glutes. It also looks like her knees are going too far forward. I also think that her torso should be leaned forward just a little bit more and the glutes sticking out more. The other things that are tequnically not wrong but I disagree with are the height of the squat and the mid-narrow stance. I like to go very wide and break parallel myself, but thats just me. Nothing wrong with that. I hate to post this, but Im just curious. I am always interested in learning about form. Perhaps someone can coment on this and discuss it with me. Either way, that is still a good lift, esp for a woman. BTW..this is what I consider good form personally. Feet wide apart. At execution, glutes bend first, not the knees. Torso is more forward alowing glutes to go out farther. Knees do not go forward much at all and are way behind toes. I may aslo add that I use the "powerlifting form" of squatting. I hope this post doesnt offend anyone, as I know it was meant as a praisal post.

01-09-2003, 04:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
archive_FitnessChick Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 1,119 Rep Power: 7080	Yep, thats me.... ....I will say my depth on 315 isn't as good as it usually is....it's a lot of weight for me to handle....under 225 is ALWAYS much deeper. I have a tape if me doing 185~ I will send it to Ulter so you can see my normal form. As far as my stance, I don't use a normal p.l. stance~I am a bb'er....this was the normal stance I use when I squat....I just added a few months of max wt. squats to help increase my power & strength. I actually got 350 last night for one....hard as hell, but felt good.

01-09-2003, 04:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
Billy_Bathgate Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,278 Rep Power: 7041	I wasnt really talking about the stance, thats just my personal preference. Its just the knees going forward so far thing I guess. I just think that is incorrect form wether you PL, BB, or OL and can cause harm over time. Perhaps it was just the heavy weight that did it. As I said above though, that is still very impressive. I dont mean to narc on you or anything, Im just curious of others opinions on form. Dont take offense

01-09-2003, 04:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
archive_FitnessChick Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 1,119 Rep Power: 7080	Re that video.... I see what you mean about his shins not moving forward at all, but man, that looks more painful on your knees and ankles then what I was doing...that is a really wide stance~I don't think I could do that if I tried! ...also, are his feet braced against the rack, or is it just the angle?

01-09-2003, 04:44 PM	#15 (permalink)
Richard Gear Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 157 Rep Power: 6102	Nice.... "The More You Sweat In Training, The Less You Bleed In Battle"

01-09-2003, 04:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
Billy_Bathgate Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,278 Rep Power: 7041	Its just the angle. I myself dont even go that wide, but I might if I were to compete. Wider you are less to travel... Actually though, I have absolutely 0 pain from doing them this way. Before I would sometimes get sore knees afterwords. By going wide like that and sitting back so much more, you transfer most of the stress onto your hips, which can take the stress much easier since they are bigger. I was just as skeptical when I first tried them too, but I was soon amazed.

01-09-2003, 04:50 PM	#17 (permalink)
axle Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 123 Rep Power: 5036	Billy, Let me ask you this. In comparing PL style squats to BB style squats, which do you feel places more emphasis on the quads? I myself also prefer the PL style moreso than typical BBer style from a comfort standpoint ie less strain on the knees; However, I feel PL squats much more in my glutes and hams as opposed to my quads.

01-09-2003, 05:09 PM	#19 (permalink)
archive_FitnessChick Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 1,119 Rep Power: 7080	Maybe it is really a personalized thing... I feel no strain at all in a position that would make some cringe(you will see when my 185 squat goes up)....looking at a wide stance like in the above video, and doing a wider stance then what I do feels much more strained for me. I will say that the wider the stance the more I feel it in the hams, glutes, and inner thigh...the closer my stance the more I feel it in my quads.

01-09-2003, 05:18 PM	#20 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	Here is 185. FC doing 185 __________________

01-09-2003, 05:20 PM	#21 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	Billy, How much were you squatting when you weighed 150lbs? __________________

01-09-2003, 05:22 PM	#22 (permalink)
Billy_Bathgate Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,278 Rep Power: 7041	I agree. You know it must really be a personalized thing. Not just with this either. Your comment got me thinking. Alot of people dont do flat barbell bench because of shoulder pain. Well me, I dont do much more incline ever past 20degress because of shoulder pain... Maybe Im like the opposite lol If thats what works good for you with no pain, dont change a thing! Thats all that really matters. You obviously have good results from it as many of us have seen your outstanding photos.