P-Seven; My Impressions

archive_Mr. Nobody · 01-09-2003, 07:11 AM

Since ulter started a thread which had 50 replies,
http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/2...3&m=1683034096
I'd like to start my own and report my impressions at appropriate intervalls. So here it goes:

First impression, day 3:
Wow...it really works...mood has improved....feels like a beta blocker (calming but not sedating). Sex drive is not up yet (no pun intended). My lingereing head cold and cough seems to be subsiding as well. Been using it for 3 days now at 1/8 pipette 2 times a day. The stuff has a very pleasant smell, but the aroma does not linger for very long (aroma therapy, ulter, hint, hint)
More later

PS: For all those always looking for an angle of peoples posts, no I have no financial stake in the success of this product.

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

archive_NubianBeauty · 01-09-2003, 07:45 AM

Wow.. sounds good!

archive_Ulter · 01-09-2003, 09:01 AM

Thanks bro. The calming effect you describe is what leads, at least me, to an elevated libido. But that took about a week. Also you might want to go up to 1/4 twice, at your size.

Fonz · 01-09-2003, 01:53 PM

I'm almost 100% sure its going to get banned.

As its an analogue of DHEA.

Fonz

No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain

----Barcelona 1992

harddtime · 01-09-2003, 09:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Fonz:
I'm almost 100% sure its going to get banned.

As its an analogue of DHEA.

Fonz

No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain

----Barcelona 1992<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

it all comes down to money IMO, i think the supplement industry has a lot at stake here so they'll prob be doing their best to lobby and fight this

- harddtime

archive_macrophage69alpha · 01-09-2003, 10:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Fonz:
I'm almost 100% sure its going to get banned.

As its an analogue of DHEA.

----Barcelona 1992<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DHEA will not be banned.. considering the impetus behind the DHEAS was to legalize it. it is doubtful that 7-oxo-dhea will be banned either. though it is theoretically possible any action would likely not occur for at least a year. you can expect 1-ad, 1test and other to go rather rapidly should the bill pass.

MP

Fonz · 01-09-2003, 10:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by macrophage69alpha:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Fonz:
I'm almost 100% sure its going to get banned.

As its an analogue of DHEA.

----Barcelona 1992<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DHEA will not be banned.. considering the impetus behind the DHEAS was to legalize it. it is doubtful that 7-oxo-dhea will be banned either. though it is theoretically possible any action would likely not occur for at least a year. you can expect 1-ad, 1test and other to go rather rapidly should the bill pass.

MP<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DHEA is used by Lupus patients.

A company wants to market it TOWARDS Lupus patients.

Now, what happens if DHEA gets put prescription only?

The company makes MUCH MORE money.

As it is, its lobbying for it right now.

So, if DHEA goes, so will 7-Keto-DHEA.

Juts a matter of time really.

Fonz

No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain

----Barcelona 1992

archive_Mr. Nobody · 01-10-2003, 06:30 AM

DHEA is used by a large amount of older folks, who have much more power than us gearheads to influence congress or the FDA. The other pro-hormones will go, but watch for the exception of DHEA, melatonin and other so called life extention supps used by seniors.

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

[This message was edited by Mr. Nobody on 01-10-2003 at 09:12 AM.]

archive_Ulter · 01-10-2003, 06:57 AM

Fonz, Congress is not voting on whether or not to ban these PH's. They don't know enough about it to make an informed decision. The bill they are voting on gives the FDA the authority to ban them. They will do so based on their use. DHEA is not used by high school kids. It's used by seniors. I think it will likely be left alone.

Fonz · 01-10-2003, 10:47 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
Fonz, Congress is not voting on whether or not to ban these PH's. They don't know enough about it to make an informed decision. The bill they are voting on gives the FDA the authority to ban them. They will do so based on their use. DHEA is not used by high school kids. It's used by seniors. I think it will likely be left alone.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I seriously hope so.

The FDA just has the uncanny ability to get away with a lot.

Fonz

No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain

----Barcelona 1992

archive_macrophage69alpha · 01-10-2003, 11:03 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Fonz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
Fonz, Congress is not voting on whether or not to ban these PH's. They don't know enough about it to make an informed decision. The bill they are voting on gives the FDA the authority to ban them. They will do so based on their use. DHEA is not used by high school kids. It's used by seniors. I think it will likely be left alone.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I seriously hope so.

The FDA just has the uncanny ability to get away with a lot.

Fonz

No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain

----Barcelona 1992<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

will have to look more closely at the legislation but basically.. from perusal.. congress wants to authorize the DEA, not the FDA, to investigate PH that are analogues, direct metabolites or precursors of scheduled anabolic steroids. If they find that the PH meet these criteria they will have the power to schedule them (how exactly.. will have to re-read for that)

DHEA while a precursor is not a direct one, 7-oxo dhea IS NOT a precursor to any AS or AS analogues.. so under that definition would guess it will ride out the storm-- if there is one.

MP

archive_Ulter · 01-10-2003, 11:21 AM

Sorry, DEA not FDA.

Fukkenshredded · 01-10-2003, 11:27 AM

Actually, the banning of DHEA idea was the engine on this train. The other pro-hormones will be banned, but wo will DHEA. Two reasons. The first is with regards to lupus, as already mentioned. The second is that DHEA is the only substance proven to reliably and dramatically increase the female libido (especially in menopausal women), other than testosterone. DHEA converts to testosterone in the liver in women (not so much in men, though).

My company manufactures supplements for women in this specific area, and DHEA is a staple ingredient. I have had to put everything on hold as a result of this silly proposition, and my letters to Congress go largely unanswered. Those that are answered refer me to the whims of the DEA, who will be granted some pretty sweeping authority by this bill. It has really pissed me off, to be frank.

[This message was edited by Fukkenshredded on 01-10-2003 at 05:44 PM.]

jimm · 01-10-2003, 12:14 PM

there is going to be big money talking in congress, no doubt. the supp industry stands to lose millions in revenue. i just wonder if congress will bend on this one. it's crazy to think that naturally-occurring substances like DHEA or just testosterone can actually be "banned". next thing, they'll want to cut our balls off because they provide a "banned" substance ! it's a travesty, no doubt.

your life is a whim in the mind of the Creator

archive_Flash · 01-10-2003, 07:25 PM

Is P-seven strong enough to keep me tolerable on fina w/o test?

If you can't walk it off, drink it off.

Tomo · 01-10-2003, 07:39 PM

I take dhea post cycle as part of my recovery -tomo

archive_Ulter · 01-11-2003, 06:44 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Flash:
Is P-seven strong enough to keep me tolerable on fina w/o test?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's impossible to guarantee but I would say you have a 90% chance it would.

archive_Mr. Nobody · 01-11-2003, 07:09 AM

Day 5:
Mood keeps improving....I really love the calming, yet not sedating effect; Cough has finally gone....sex drive seems to be picking up....could be placebo though...must be more objective about that....
more later, when more changes happen;

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

archive_Mr. Nobody · 01-11-2003, 10:20 AM

something else would be interesting: Can it offset the clomid mood for all those plaqued by that?
Someone should try this as part of their post cycle with high doses of clomid and report the findings;

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

bigboy · 01-11-2003, 12:59 PM

Mr. N-that is exactly why I just ordered some. I am coming off in 3 weks and will let you know. Clomid makes me miserable!

archive_macrophage69alpha · 01-11-2003, 01:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Mr. Nobody:
something else would be interesting: Can it offset the clomid mood for all those plaqued by that?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
very possible

MP

01-09-2003, 07:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
archive_Mr. Nobody Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 11939	P-Seven; My Impressions Since ulter started a thread which had 50 replies, http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/2...3&m=1683034096 I'd like to start my own and report my impressions at appropriate intervalls. So here it goes: First impression, day 3: Wow...it really works...mood has improved....feels like a beta blocker (calming but not sedating). Sex drive is not up yet (no pun intended). My lingereing head cold and cough seems to be subsiding as well. Been using it for 3 days now at 1/8 pipette 2 times a day. The stuff has a very pleasant smell, but the aroma does not linger for very long (aroma therapy, ulter, hint, hint) More later PS: For all those always looking for an angle of peoples posts, no I have no financial stake in the success of this product. Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

01-09-2003, 09:01 AM	#3 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	Thanks bro. The calming effect you describe is what leads, at least me, to an elevated libido. But that took about a week. Also you might want to go up to 1/4 twice, at your size. __________________

01-09-2003, 01:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7624	I'm almost 100% sure its going to get banned. As its an analogue of DHEA. Fonz No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain ----Barcelona 1992 __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

01-09-2003, 09:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
harddtime Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 736 Rep Power: 6223	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fonz: I'm almost 100% sure its going to get banned. As its an analogue of DHEA. Fonz No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain ----Barcelona 1992<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> it all comes down to money IMO, i think the supplement industry has a lot at stake here so they'll prob be doing their best to lobby and fight this - harddtime __________________ - harddtime

01-09-2003, 10:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
archive_macrophage69alpha Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,101 Rep Power: 7020	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fonz: I'm almost 100% sure its going to get banned. As its an analogue of DHEA. ----Barcelona 1992<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> DHEA will not be banned.. considering the impetus behind the DHEAS was to legalize it. it is doubtful that 7-oxo-dhea will be banned either. though it is theoretically possible any action would likely not occur for at least a year. you can expect 1-ad, 1test and other to go rather rapidly should the bill pass. MP __________________ MP

01-09-2003, 07:45 AM	#2 (permalink)
archive_NubianBeauty Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,761 Rep Power: 7054	Wow.. sounds good!

01-09-2003, 10:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7624	<BLOCKQUOTE class="-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by macrophage69alpha: <BLOCKQUOTE class="-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fonz: I'm almost 100% sure its going to get banned. As its an analogue of DHEA. ----Barcelona 1992<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> DHEA will not be banned.. considering the impetus behind the DHEAS was to legalize it. it is doubtful that 7-oxo-dhea will be banned either. though it is theoretically possible any action would likely not occur for at least a year. you can expect 1-ad, 1test and other to go rather rapidly should the bill pass. MP<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> DHEA is used by Lupus patients. A company wants to market it TOWARDS Lupus patients. Now, what happens if DHEA gets put prescription only? The company makes MUCH MORE money. As it is, its lobbying for it right now. So, if DHEA goes, so will 7-Keto-DHEA. Juts a matter of time really. Fonz No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain ----Barcelona 1992 __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

01-10-2003, 06:30 AM	#8 (permalink)
archive_Mr. Nobody Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 11939	DHEA is used by a large amount of older folks, who have much more power than us gearheads to influence congress or the FDA. The other pro-hormones will go, but watch for the exception of DHEA, melatonin and other so called life extention supps used by seniors. Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice. [This message was edited by Mr. Nobody on 01-10-2003 at 09:12 AM.]

01-10-2003, 06:57 AM	#9 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	Fonz, Congress is not voting on whether or not to ban these PH's. They don't know enough about it to make an informed decision. The bill they are voting on gives the FDA the authority to ban them. They will do so based on their use. DHEA is not used by high school kids. It's used by seniors. I think it will likely be left alone. __________________

01-10-2003, 10:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7624	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter: Fonz, Congress is not voting on whether or not to ban these PH's. They don't know enough about it to make an informed decision. The bill they are voting on gives the FDA the authority to ban them. They will do so based on their use. DHEA is not used by high school kids. It's used by seniors. I think it will likely be left alone.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I seriously hope so. The FDA just has the uncanny ability to get away with a lot. Fonz No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain ----Barcelona 1992 __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

01-10-2003, 11:03 AM	#11 (permalink)
archive_macrophage69alpha Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,101 Rep Power: 7020	<BLOCKQUOTE class="-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fonz: <BLOCKQUOTE class="-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter: Fonz, Congress is not voting on whether or not to ban these PH's. They don't know enough about it to make an informed decision. The bill they are voting on gives the FDA the authority to ban them. They will do so based on their use. DHEA is not used by high school kids. It's used by seniors. I think it will likely be left alone.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I seriously hope so. The FDA just has the uncanny ability to get away with a lot. Fonz No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain ----Barcelona 1992<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> will have to look more closely at the legislation but basically.. from perusal.. congress wants to authorize the DEA, not the FDA, to investigate PH that are analogues, direct metabolites or precursors of scheduled anabolic steroids. If they find that the PH meet these criteria they will have the power to schedule them (how exactly.. will have to re-read for that) DHEA while a precursor is not a direct one, 7-oxo dhea IS NOT a precursor to any AS or AS analogues.. so under that definition would guess it will ride out the storm-- if there is one. MP __________________ MP

01-10-2003, 11:21 AM	#12 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	Sorry, DEA not FDA. __________________

01-10-2003, 11:27 AM	#13 (permalink)
Fukkenshredded Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,036 Rep Power: 13713	Actually, the banning of DHEA idea was the engine on this train. The other pro-hormones will be banned, but wo will DHEA. Two reasons. The first is with regards to lupus, as already mentioned. The second is that DHEA is the only substance proven to reliably and dramatically increase the female libido (especially in menopausal women), other than testosterone. DHEA converts to testosterone in the liver in women (not so much in men, though). My company manufactures supplements for women in this specific area, and DHEA is a staple ingredient. I have had to put everything on hold as a result of this silly proposition, and my letters to Congress go largely unanswered. Those that are answered refer me to the whims of the DEA, who will be granted some pretty sweeping authority by this bill. It has really pissed me off, to be frank. [This message was edited by Fukkenshredded on 01-10-2003 at 05:44 PM.]

01-10-2003, 12:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
jimm Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 107 Rep Power: 4648	there is going to be big money talking in congress, no doubt. the supp industry stands to lose millions in revenue. i just wonder if congress will bend on this one. it's crazy to think that naturally-occurring substances like DHEA or just testosterone can actually be "banned". next thing, they'll want to cut our balls off because they provide a "banned" substance ! it's a travesty, no doubt. your life is a whim in the mind of the Creator __________________ your life is a whim in the mind of the Creator

01-10-2003, 07:25 PM	#15 (permalink)
archive_Flash Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,683 Rep Power: 7050	Is P-seven strong enough to keep me tolerable on fina w/o test? If you can't walk it off, drink it off. __________________ SELF ASSEMBLY REQUIRED

01-10-2003, 07:39 PM	#16 (permalink)
Tomo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 109 Rep Power: 5788	I take dhea post cycle as part of my recovery -tomo

01-11-2003, 06:44 AM	#17 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flash: Is P-seven strong enough to keep me tolerable on fina w/o test? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That's impossible to guarantee but I would say you have a 90% chance it would. __________________

01-11-2003, 07:09 AM	#18 (permalink)
archive_Mr. Nobody Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 11939	Day 5: Mood keeps improving....I really love the calming, yet not sedating effect; Cough has finally gone....sex drive seems to be picking up....could be placebo though...must be more objective about that.... more later, when more changes happen; Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

01-11-2003, 10:20 AM	#19 (permalink)
archive_Mr. Nobody Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 11939	something else would be interesting: Can it offset the clomid mood for all those plaqued by that? Someone should try this as part of their post cycle with high doses of clomid and report the findings; Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

01-11-2003, 12:59 PM	#20 (permalink)
bigboy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 7125	Mr. N-that is exactly why I just ordered some. I am coming off in 3 weks and will let you know. Clomid makes me miserable!

01-11-2003, 01:35 PM	#21 (permalink)
archive_macrophage69alpha Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,101 Rep Power: 7020	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Nobody: something else would be interesting: Can it offset the clomid mood for all those plaqued by that? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> very possible MP __________________ MP

01-12-2003, 03:40 AM	#22 (permalink)
Omen01 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 105 Rep Power: 5740