My first Cycle

[Jman88]

Hey guys,

I am 22 and have been lifting seriously for almost 5 years. I am 5'10'' and 210 lbs. My bodyfat is a bit high 13-15% but oh well it's winter and cold. I have been lurking on the board and have searched thoroughly before making my 1st post. This will be the start of hopefully many successful cycles.

I will be using 25G, 1" pins.

Week 1: Tren @ 75 EOD and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 2: Tren @ 75 EOD and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 3: Tren @ 75 EOD and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 4: Tren @ 75 EOD and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 5: Tren @7 5 EOD and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 6: Tren @ 75 EOD and Test Enanth @ 500mg/week

Week 7: Tren @ 75 EOD

Week 8: Tren @ 75 EOD

Three Days after Last Shot: 300mg of clomid in 3 divided doses. Then 100 mg/day for 10 days. Then 50 mg/day for 14 days.

I am still debating as whether or not to use a lower TEST dose as it is my 1st cycle and I am going 75 EOD on the tren until I get used to the inj.

Thnaks guys

[Billy_Bathgate]

Enanthate for only 6wks is more of a waste to me.

Run it for 8-10wks or switch to prop.

[archive_Cyp]

For a 1st cycle thats FINE...take some cranberry extract will help your body with that Fina intake......The only sugeestion I would make would be to up your Test to say 800mg......But 500mg is fine to you wont get too bloated on that dose...Since its your 1st cyle im sure 500mg will probably do fine...

Looks Good Bro

Good luck...

[Beezers]

You're on the right track and have a good foundation for a sucessfull plan...(provided you eat right of course!). But at the end, in my opinion, you have the tren and enanthate mixed up. Run the tren for the first six week and the enanathate for a whole eight, maybe even ten weeks. Enanthate is somewhat of a "slow mover" and six weeks just isn't enough time for it to put on enough muscle for your, or anybody's, liking. Even while on AS muscle still takes time to grow, though that growth rate is greatly increases with the use of AS. Six weeks isn't a whole lot of time in the gig picture, so I would oprt for eight to ten weeks on the test. For a first cycle your doses look spot on.

[Jman88]

As far as running the tren 2 weeks, longer than the test I was hoping to possibly drop some of the test water bloat and continue building lean mass with the tren.

I have posted this another board and I have been told (like Beezers said) that the test enanth takes 4-5 weeks to kick in. I think I will go with the Tren week 1-6 and Test week 1-8.

My diet will be spot on, 8 clean meals with 350-400g Protein daily and 2 cheat meals once a week.

[Billy_Bathgate]

Running the tren out past the test is a good idea.

Why not just run tren wks 1-4 and 7-10 with the test wks 1-8.

[Beezers]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Billy_Bathgate:
Running the tren out past the test is a good idea.

Why not just run tren wks 1-4 and 7-10 with the test wks 1-8.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Another fine possibility. There isn't one clear cut answer here, but most will agree to run the test for a minimum of eight weeks.

[maxx]

For what it is worth...

I would hold off on the Tren until you figure out what the Test alone will do for you...most will disagree (my old 2thick Sentimentality comming in)

500mg is NOT too much for your first cycle, I might even ramp up to a bit more. At your size and stats AND AGE, you will blow up like a balloon (in a good way). Tren is harsh...good but harsh. If you are mentally "ok" on the test then I would TRY the tren 4-5 weeks into your cycle, nothing says if you feel f'd up your committed to sticking it out.

In my limited experience I have learned that all the reading and planning in the world may prepare you better than going in blind but you will not know, until you know.

Test itself will make you feel great and you will be amazed.

Too much stength, and I know this from personal experience, can be a bad thing.

You honestly dont "need" to stack, especially on your first, but perhaps a different choice than tren....depending on your true goals.

...maxx babbling once again....

[archive_Ulter]

You should always run the test as long as the tren or you will have recovery problems down the road. Use them 8 weeks eack.

[Juicyr6]

i'm with billy on this one:
run the test as long as the tren and if you plan on running it for only 8 weeks switch the test to prop.

[Jman88]

Alright guys, I will run both the test and the tren 8 weeks.

75 mg EOD until I get used to injections.

As far as switching to prop, I have done a lot of research and I have found a consensus that test is test, whether enanth, cyp, or prop.
Any ideas?

[back2basics]

Why not use the test week 1-8, and the Tren in weeks 3-10?? Ok, there's a 4 week wait for results, but I think you'll get a better synergy than leaving gabs where or only the test or only the Tren is working..

And switching to prop at the end of a cyle is a good idea.

Be strong, stand with the strong, but stand for the weak.

B2B

[jonas]

I agree with MAXX, pick one for your first cycle to see how your body responds. You're young and as you said this won't be the last cycle, so there's no rush. This will allow you to see how your body responds to one anabolic, instead of having too many variables. Plus tren can have some nasty sides, as I have unfortunately found out. Many people love it, but I would get some more experience before adding it in the mix. Also, I made the best gains of my life on my first cycle ever with 250mg sustanon per week. Just my 2 cents.

[archive_Bjaarki]

... but I'm not sure that tren is a good idea for a first cycle, even when you have fairly high BF like you. I've never known anyone who ran tren their first time out. Does anyone here know anyone who ran tren their first time out? I suppose there's no reason it couldn't be done, but I've never seen it. Why? Tren can be a harsh drug for some users, and I guess it's the sides (loss of libido, tren cough) and inconvenience (need for daily injections, quite a bit of injection pain for some people) that turns people off.

I think Jonas and Maxx have a good point. You might want to keep things really simple until you know your way around. Or, if you want to balance a test-based product with a nortest-based one, maybe think of test and deca, the classic "newbie cycle." I bet that 500mg test and 300mg deca per week for 8 weeks would blow you up huge.

Either way, good luck. And don't forget the anti-e's!

Bjaarki

... Then, do what you have to do.

[bkrquads]

My first cycle was a dbol/sust cycle which I threw tren in at the end for the last 5 weeks. I did it for the reasons that (1) it was easy to obtain and (2) wanted to loose some bf and gain vascularity. This cycle went really good until I added tren. I liked tren's results but hated the sides I suffered: moody and depressed with a lot of acne. None of those sides were present with the Dbol and Test. Actually the test made me feel great but with the tren added.......I was not too fun to be around.

I still run tren but don't do it your first time out. Enjoy how the test makes you feel. Then add the tren at later cycles.

[archive_Badrock]

Listen to Bjaarki and run Test with Deca and you will feel "God like". There may be some bloat but it will go away or maybe get an anti E. I think the tren will ruin that for you. I'm on it now and I need accutane bad for my face, chest and back. Try tren later.

"Yeap. Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around, you could miss it."

[Kakarrot]

I have not read all the replys fully but I would will advice you to run test longer than tren.

I did tren my first cycle, awsome stuff, but I ran it till the 12 week and cut the test out on the 10, big mistake for me, if I could go back I would do it the other way. Try to drop to 10%bf before you begin though. And eat, eat, do not take that for granted.