For the geriatric crowd (30+) and a little OT

archive_1911 · 11-03-2002, 03:09 PM

Have you ever walked away from a career due to the impact on your health? Some of you fellas familiar with billing 80+ hours per week (no exaggeration here) for months on end can relate. I’m not talking about just the impact on your BB’ing goals, I’m talking your overall physical well-being. The mental piece is easy IMO.

I’m again in a corporate shit-fest, it’s brutal and I don’t know how else to summarize it without boring the forum. I will not quit until I either win or I’m thrown-out by the client-base. I’ll fight until the end, win or lose on this one. But…when this one is all said and done, I’ll have another…and another…

I have to start thinking about me at this stage as I’ve done this crap for too many years. You know the drill, you climb the ladder, the salary is where you want to be, etc. But, in doing this you sell your soul.

If you’ve walked; any tips, suggested reading, resources? How do you handle the possibility of a lesser income as trade-off for your health? How did you think this through and legitimize or justify your decision?

Thanks in advance. If this is “too OT” blow it away.

Later

Fonz · 11-03-2002, 03:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by 1911:
Have you ever walked away from a career due to the impact on your health? Some of you fellas familiar with billing 80+ hours per week (no exaggeration here) for months on end can relate. I’m not talking about just the impact on your BB’ing goals, I’m talking your overall physical well-being. The mental piece is easy IMO.

I’m again in a corporate shit-fest, it’s brutal and I don’t know how else to summarize it without boring the forum. I will not quit until I either win or I’m thrown-out by the client-base. I’ll fight until the end, win or lose on this one. But…when this one is all said and done, I’ll have another…and another…

I have to start thinking about me at this stage as I’ve done this crap for too many years. You know the drill, you climb the ladder, the salary is where you want to be, etc. But, in doing this you sell your soul.

If you’ve walked; any tips, suggested reading, resources? How do you handle the possibility of a lesser income as trade-off for your health? How did you think this through and legitimize or justify your decision?

Thanks in advance. If this is “too OT” blow it away.

Later<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Geriatrics?

Opps........too old.

24.

Fonz

No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain

----Barcelona 1992

rippedchef · 11-03-2002, 03:34 PM

You have a wife and kids?-if you do-you never see them-if your single I can offer no perspective-two words-GET OUT!!-$$ ain't woth it!There are other jobs-other companies that value "personal time"-the pay cut is immaterial-live within your means(might take a while to get used to)-spend the time with your family-get your training up to snuff and enjoy your life-its too damn short of a ride to spend any time wishing you had done it differently-As a chef I've spent the last 20 yrs working 12-12 6 days a week-ALL holidays with maybe 4 weeks real vacation in that time-just recently changed "fields"-5 days-a little less $$-but my wife and kids know who I am and I just got back from my 2nd BBing comp-All in all I got the good end of the deal and will NEVER go back!!-Good Luck-PM if you want more info

dingleberry · 11-03-2002, 05:40 PM

The $$$ is definitely not worth missing your family over. I would rather live a simpler lifestyle and enjoy being part of my family's life.

God
Family
Job

archive_Bjaarki · 11-03-2002, 05:43 PM

Yeah, 1911, you keep coming back to this place, a place of deep discontent with the career direction you've taken, especially with how it interferes with your lifting goals and your relationships with girls.

I can't speak to this directly, my career has taken a different trajectory, one I'm very satisfied with, but ... something that occurs to me, that has been used successfully by other guys in a similar spot to yours, is the use of what is called a "life coach" or a "career coach." It's something like therapy, it involves a lot of goal clarification, but its focused on making concrete changes in your relationship to your job, that may be very useful.

There was a guy who used to post here, 2GetBig, the high-altitude climber, who could probably help you with this. He's a friend. I'd trust him with my life. He does a lot of life coaching work. I'll see if he can reach out to you.

Be well, bro. Don't despair. You're never alone.

Bjaarki

" 'Til the weard of the world, stands, unforgotten,
high under Heaven, the Hero's name!"
Hrolff Krakki's Saga (Iceland)

BECOME SOMEONE'S HERO!

Tall Dude · 11-03-2002, 06:15 PM

There are a lot of ways to make money without working 80+ hours a week.
Quality of life is really important, especially since we all only have so long to be here.

archive_Lift Or Die · 11-03-2002, 06:27 PM

Its sometimes hard to leave a job or career especially if you've been doing it for a while. It all comes down to your priorities. Years ago I was working over 70+ hours a week, 6 days a week. I did this for almost 5 years. During these 5 years I never had the time or energy to do the things I enjoyed. With my work schedule, bodybuilding was impossible to do.

I missed the feel of weight training and almost forgot what it felt like. The only solution I could see was to find myself a new job. It took a little time but I finally have a great job where I now work only 4 days a week and make twice the money I made before. I have plenty of time to devote to myself and my bodybuilding goals.

archive_Ulter · 11-03-2002, 08:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> If you’ve walked; any tips, suggested reading, resources? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Feel the fear and do it anyway.

by Susan Jeffers

archive_45goingon20 · 11-03-2002, 10:56 PM

1911, I feel your struggle. I just lost my job a few weeks ago. One of the reasons they gave me for firing me was I wasn't putting in additional time. I was always working Saturdays and in early every day for 7 years, but I would mostly leave at 4 every day so I could fit in my workouts and then family later. I don't know what my point is, but the career isn't worth it. I'm also going through a separation. I don't think my job had anything to do with it, but I thought I'd just throw that in there. 80 hours a week can lead to divorce. I would love to work somewhere less stressful. A reduction in pay would be a decent trade-off for less stress. JMO. Good Luck
45

global · 11-04-2002, 02:24 AM

1911, I'm not sure what the legal situation is in the States, but I suppose you have a contract with your working hours stipulated. Dont quit, just work the hours in your contract and if they sack you, sue them for unfair dismissal.

global@elitefitness.com

rippedchef · 11-04-2002, 06:28 AM

Its the same feeling as walking up to the squat rack on leg day-you know its gonna hurt but you gotta have sweep,seperation and thickness-only 1 way to get there-gotta hit the rack-hard,heavy and deep-half-way through your last set you wonder if you can get to 10-wonder how much burn you can really stand-so what do YOU do?-Totally sell out the set-try for 11 and have to bail 1/2 out of the hole or do you do a safe 9-think good set and rack it??-All lifes lessons can be learned in the gym-question is do you change jobs and go for that 11th rep or do you do a safe 9 and stay where you are and wish you had bigger quads??

archive_Mr. Nobody · 11-04-2002, 06:34 AM

Perspective:
You only live once, so make it enjoyable. If you hate your job or its sucking you dry....LEAVE.
You don’t have to change carriers, just find a company that fits your personality and needs better. If BB is on top of your priority list than arrange your life accordingly or you will die unhappy and unhealthy.
Don’t be afraid to take that step, find something better NOW. Search your ass off, investigate and go to many interviews, while still employed. Then drop the bomb. It feels good to change, it makes you grow (mentally you meat heads) and feel like the true master of your destiny.

I can speak about that with ease, because I have traveled very far my friend....and looking back, I regret nothing.

One last thing though: Never burn any bridges always leave on good terms, it provides the karma and confidence you need in your endeavors plus it helps overcomming the "what if's"

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise.

2GetBig · 11-04-2002, 12:09 PM

Hey 1911 –

Mr. Nobody seems to hit the spot with some good feedback for you, I like what he has offered and hope it gives you the courage to drive some change in your career life. Feel free to E me off line, I work with individuals in similar situations as a coach. In the meantime, some helpful hints… Rule #1 – Never, NEVER stay in a job that you don’t enjoy, and that does not serve your needs. Get out, the sooner the better. Rule #2 – Only work for someone, or somebody that fits your vales, and that has a reputation of leading or supervising from the heart. Good leaders have lasting reputations; find out what their reputation is BEFORE you take the job. If you work for a known winner, you will be on a winning team that wins for everyone. Rule #3 – Good leaders have balance, and show balance in the workplace by NOT working 50+ hours a week. They will encourage and help you balance your career and outside life, and tell you to go home when you are working too much. Rule #4 – A good company, leader, supervisor will put your interests first, and support you in good times (recognition, pay rewards, etc) and in bad times. Rule #5 – A good boss never talks down to employees, never snaps at you, or speaks bad about you. Your boss should be spending time giving you opportunities to look good and be exposed in the organization.

I recently left a company who has been on the “Fortune 100 Best Companies” to work list for the past ten years. I can say I loved every day coming to work for 14 years. I had an opportunity to impact hundreds of great people, and in return, hundreds of great people impacted me. The very first place to job hunt is to review the current 100 best company list. Each company has a web site, and current jobs available, location, etc. The next place to start is you: Setting a timeline to leave, and a transition timeline that give you a bridge to your next career.

"Life is a journey. Share your experience with others; touch, move, and inspire! Go create nothing less than a totally great Journey."

archive_Bjaarki · 11-04-2002, 12:21 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> There was a guy who used to post here, 2GetBig, the high-altitude climber, who could probably help you with this. He's a friend. I'd trust him with my life. He does a lot of life coaching work. I'll see if he can reach out to you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What I said ...

[img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

archive_1911 · 11-04-2002, 12:31 PM

As always, thanks Gentlemen. I will read & digest when time permits. For now...I have to get back to my 24 hour a day ass-rapin'.

Later,

11-03-2002, 03:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
archive_1911 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 1,249 Rep Power: 7214	For the geriatric crowd (30+) and a little OT Have you ever walked away from a career due to the impact on your health? Some of you fellas familiar with billing 80+ hours per week (no exaggeration here) for months on end can relate. I’m not talking about just the impact on your BB’ing goals, I’m talking your overall physical well-being. The mental piece is easy IMO. I’m again in a corporate shit-fest, it’s brutal and I don’t know how else to summarize it without boring the forum. I will not quit until I either win or I’m thrown-out by the client-base. I’ll fight until the end, win or lose on this one. But…when this one is all said and done, I’ll have another…and another… I have to start thinking about me at this stage as I’ve done this crap for too many years. You know the drill, you climb the ladder, the salary is where you want to be, etc. But, in doing this you sell your soul. If you’ve walked; any tips, suggested reading, resources? How do you handle the possibility of a lesser income as trade-off for your health? How did you think this through and legitimize or justify your decision? Thanks in advance. If this is “too OT” blow it away. Later __________________ Changed sig font - 3/15/07 migration

11-03-2002, 03:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7624	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 1911: Have you ever walked away from a career due to the impact on your health? Some of you fellas familiar with billing 80+ hours per week (no exaggeration here) for months on end can relate. I’m not talking about just the impact on your BB’ing goals, I’m talking your overall physical well-being. The mental piece is easy IMO. I’m again in a corporate shit-fest, it’s brutal and I don’t know how else to summarize it without boring the forum. I will not quit until I either win or I’m thrown-out by the client-base. I’ll fight until the end, win or lose on this one. But…when this one is all said and done, I’ll have another…and another… I have to start thinking about me at this stage as I’ve done this crap for too many years. You know the drill, you climb the ladder, the salary is where you want to be, etc. But, in doing this you sell your soul. If you’ve walked; any tips, suggested reading, resources? How do you handle the possibility of a lesser income as trade-off for your health? How did you think this through and legitimize or justify your decision? Thanks in advance. If this is “too OT” blow it away. Later<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Geriatrics? Opps........too old. 24. Fonz No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain ----Barcelona 1992 __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

11-03-2002, 05:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
archive_Bjaarki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,673 Rep Power: 13546	Yeah, 1911, you keep coming back to this place, a place of deep discontent with the career direction you've taken, especially with how it interferes with your lifting goals and your relationships with girls. I can't speak to this directly, my career has taken a different trajectory, one I'm very satisfied with, but ... something that occurs to me, that has been used successfully by other guys in a similar spot to yours, is the use of what is called a "life coach" or a "career coach." It's something like therapy, it involves a lot of goal clarification, but its focused on making concrete changes in your relationship to your job, that may be very useful. There was a guy who used to post here, 2GetBig, the high-altitude climber, who could probably help you with this. He's a friend. I'd trust him with my life. He does a lot of life coaching work. I'll see if he can reach out to you. Be well, bro. Don't despair. You're never alone. Bjaarki " 'Til the weard of the world, stands, unforgotten, high under Heaven, the Hero's name!" Hrolff Krakki's Saga (Iceland) BECOME SOMEONE'S HERO! __________________ First, say to yourself what you would become. Then, do what you have to do.

11-03-2002, 08:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If you’ve walked; any tips, suggested reading, resources? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Feel the fear and do it anyway. by Susan Jeffers __________________

11-04-2002, 02:24 AM	#10 (permalink)
global Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 661 Rep Power: 5576	1911, I'm not sure what the legal situation is in the States, but I suppose you have a contract with your working hours stipulated. Dont quit, just work the hours in your contract and if they sack you, sue them for unfair dismissal. global@elitefitness.com __________________ _____________________________ May contain nuts.

11-03-2002, 03:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
rippedchef Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 100 Rep Power: 4801	You have a wife and kids?-if you do-you never see them-if your single I can offer no perspective-two words-GET OUT!!-$$ ain't woth it!There are other jobs-other companies that value "personal time"-the pay cut is immaterial-live within your means(might take a while to get used to)-spend the time with your family-get your training up to snuff and enjoy your life-its too damn short of a ride to spend any time wishing you had done it differently-As a chef I've spent the last 20 yrs working 12-12 6 days a week-ALL holidays with maybe 4 weeks real vacation in that time-just recently changed "fields"-5 days-a little less $$-but my wife and kids know who I am and I just got back from my 2nd BBing comp-All in all I got the good end of the deal and will NEVER go back!!-Good Luck-PM if you want more info

11-03-2002, 05:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
dingleberry Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 81 Rep Power: 5328	The $$$ is definitely not worth missing your family over. I would rather live a simpler lifestyle and enjoy being part of my family's life. God Family Job

11-03-2002, 06:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tall Dude Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 244 Rep Power: 5989	There are a lot of ways to make money without working 80+ hours a week. Quality of life is really important, especially since we all only have so long to be here.

11-03-2002, 06:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
archive_Lift Or Die Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 258 Rep Power: 6065	Its sometimes hard to leave a job or career especially if you've been doing it for a while. It all comes down to your priorities. Years ago I was working over 70+ hours a week, 6 days a week. I did this for almost 5 years. During these 5 years I never had the time or energy to do the things I enjoyed. With my work schedule, bodybuilding was impossible to do. I missed the feel of weight training and almost forgot what it felt like. The only solution I could see was to find myself a new job. It took a little time but I finally have a great job where I now work only 4 days a week and make twice the money I made before. I have plenty of time to devote to myself and my bodybuilding goals.

11-03-2002, 10:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
archive_45goingon20 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 484 Rep Power: 6011	1911, I feel your struggle. I just lost my job a few weeks ago. One of the reasons they gave me for firing me was I wasn't putting in additional time. I was always working Saturdays and in early every day for 7 years, but I would mostly leave at 4 every day so I could fit in my workouts and then family later. I don't know what my point is, but the career isn't worth it. I'm also going through a separation. I don't think my job had anything to do with it, but I thought I'd just throw that in there. 80 hours a week can lead to divorce. I would love to work somewhere less stressful. A reduction in pay would be a decent trade-off for less stress. JMO. Good Luck 45

11-04-2002, 06:28 AM	#11 (permalink)
rippedchef Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 100 Rep Power: 4801	Its the same feeling as walking up to the squat rack on leg day-you know its gonna hurt but you gotta have sweep,seperation and thickness-only 1 way to get there-gotta hit the rack-hard,heavy and deep-half-way through your last set you wonder if you can get to 10-wonder how much burn you can really stand-so what do YOU do?-Totally sell out the set-try for 11 and have to bail 1/2 out of the hole or do you do a safe 9-think good set and rack it??-All lifes lessons can be learned in the gym-question is do you change jobs and go for that 11th rep or do you do a safe 9 and stay where you are and wish you had bigger quads??

11-04-2002, 12:09 PM	#13 (permalink)
2GetBig Gold Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: San Diego Posts: 128 Rep Power: 5611	Change or Hate Life Hey 1911 – Mr. Nobody seems to hit the spot with some good feedback for you, I like what he has offered and hope it gives you the courage to drive some change in your career life. Feel free to E me off line, I work with individuals in similar situations as a coach. In the meantime, some helpful hints… Rule #1 – Never, NEVER stay in a job that you don’t enjoy, and that does not serve your needs. Get out, the sooner the better. Rule #2 – Only work for someone, or somebody that fits your vales, and that has a reputation of leading or supervising from the heart. Good leaders have lasting reputations; find out what their reputation is BEFORE you take the job. If you work for a known winner, you will be on a winning team that wins for everyone. Rule #3 – Good leaders have balance, and show balance in the workplace by NOT working 50+ hours a week. They will encourage and help you balance your career and outside life, and tell you to go home when you are working too much. Rule #4 – A good company, leader, supervisor will put your interests first, and support you in good times (recognition, pay rewards, etc) and in bad times. Rule #5 – A good boss never talks down to employees, never snaps at you, or speaks bad about you. Your boss should be spending time giving you opportunities to look good and be exposed in the organization. I recently left a company who has been on the “Fortune 100 Best Companies” to work list for the past ten years. I can say I loved every day coming to work for 14 years. I had an opportunity to impact hundreds of great people, and in return, hundreds of great people impacted me. The very first place to job hunt is to review the current 100 best company list. Each company has a web site, and current jobs available, location, etc. The next place to start is you: Setting a timeline to leave, and a transition timeline that give you a bridge to your next career. "Life is a journey. Share your experience with others; touch, move, and inspire! Go create nothing less than a totally great Journey." __________________ &quot;Life is a journey. Share your experience with others; touch, move, and inspire! Go create nothing less than a totally great Journey.&quot;

11-04-2002, 12:21 PM	#14 (permalink)
archive_Bjaarki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,673 Rep Power: 13546	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> There was a guy who used to post here, 2GetBig, the high-altitude climber, who could probably help you with this. He's a friend. I'd trust him with my life. He does a lot of life coaching work. I'll see if he can reach out to you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> What I said ... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] __________________ First, say to yourself what you would become. Then, do what you have to do.

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