The Sleep Aid/Drug thread. Have any idea? Post them.

Fonz · 11-03-2002, 06:59 AM

Sometines, I just HATE tren.....LOL

Anyways, have gone through these things:

Supplemment wise:

1. Melatonin: 3-20mg Nothing
2. 5-HTP: Garbage. 500mg a pop. Still nothing.
3. Magnesium: 2000mg. Nothing
4. Inositol: 20g Nothing.

And please no Kava Kava BS, Valerian Root etc.. etc.. I could eat a truck full and I'd probably still be wide awake. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

I've neen on rotating meds:

1. Ambien(20mg) + 3mg Melatonin
2. Trazadone: 150mg(Not very good)

The problem is the lowered carb intake. 100g/day

I've been testing out Versed.....works. But
scary as hell.

7.5mg and you go into a 12-hr coma......LOL

Anybody else have better ideas?

And no Sleep meds are bad for you speches...either(Bjaarki..... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] )

Fonz

No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain

----Barcelona 1992

archive_Lift Or Die · 11-03-2002, 07:34 AM

I've tried all those supplement sleep aids and none of them work for me. 1mg Xanax knocks me out pretty good, 2mg and I can sleep for 12 hours straight, get up for 2 hours and go back to sleep for another 4 or 5. I'll occasionally switch the xanax with ambian. I can sleep ok on 10mg ambian but 20mg works better.

The only problem with either of these is I feel groggy for the rest of the day after waking up. Xanax seems to be harder on me than ambian.

Both of those benzo's are supposed to be addictive but I never "feel" a need that I have to have them. The only time I use them is when I've gone several days without getting a good nights sleep. I don't know, if anyone can suggest something that works I'd be interested to hear it.

archive_Ulter · 11-03-2002, 07:56 AM

I must post this 30 times a year and no one listens to me. Try Atarax, get the generic. Take it an hour before bed and you will sleep very well and long. The first couple days it will make it slightly more difficult to get going in the morning, but after that you will adjust to it. It's an antihistimine but they use it to calm people prior to surgery. What I like most about it is that if I am awakened at night and I get up and walk around, taking a pee or whatever, I go right back to sleep with no problem. I take 2 25mg tabs per night but I wouldn't recommend that the first few nights unless you are really having problems, just take 1.

archive_Lift Or Die · 11-03-2002, 09:05 AM

Ulter, is atarax OTC or do you need a script? Can you get this from somewhere like pillstore?

archive_Ulter · 11-03-2002, 09:21 AM

You need a script but any doctor will give it to you. Just tell him you have an allerigic reaction on your skin to something and he'll write it for you. 30 tabs are $4 at Walgreen's.

archive_MR. BMJ · 11-03-2002, 10:51 AM

Cool...I have Atarax in the ol' cabinet. I new I had heard that name before. Gonna have to give them a try! Thanks for the info man.

And yes, i've probably heard you suggest this at least 29 of the 30 times over the last year...lol...

BMJ

Jonny Organon · 11-03-2002, 10:52 AM

Ulter you just love walgreens. I can't say how many times you have said to go there. Anyways...If you don't care just take nyquil..Ha ha....In all seriousness though last summer I had trouble sleeping and I used klonopin and it worked great. It is an anxiety med but you sleep like a friggen baby. I am not sure if it would be addictive but I highly doubt it. Its cheap and it works great. I am pretty sure healthpluspharmacy carries it?

Fonz · 11-03-2002, 10:55 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
I must post this 30 times a year and no one listens to me. Try Atarax, get the generic. Take it an hour before bed and you will sleep very well and long. The first couple days it will make it slightly more difficult to get going in the morning, but after that you will adjust to it. It's an antihistimine but they use it to calm people prior to surgery. What I like most about it is that if I am awakened at night and I get up and walk around, taking a pee or whatever, I go right back to sleep with no problem. I take 2 25mg tabs per night but I wouldn't recommend that the first few nights unless you are really having problems, just take 1.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I asked once you recommended it.

Big FAT no.

My Doc is ULTRA-conservative.

Hell, he was hesitant to prescribe 100mg condeine/day b/c I hurt my foot.

H wanted me to try advil instead....

I swear I almost knocked him out.... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Fonz

No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain

----Barcelona 1992

Slowmo21 · 11-03-2002, 11:25 AM

I'm more interested in what meds actually promote "normal" sleep (aside from G.. of course). With Ambien I feel as though the sleep I get isn't really the same as without it. I don't wake up totally refreshed, even after 8 hours. So I'm guessing that kind of sleep isn't optimal for growth either.

Definitely going to try Atarax next but I'm not sure if it's really my best choice. My problem is anxiety, only at night when I need to sleep. If I have something big coming up or have to wake up early I get stressed "only have 7 more hours before I have to get up, must sleep right NOW". So I guess anti anxiety meds would help me. Any recommendations? I'm not worried about dependance because I only take a med a couple of nights a week when I REALLY need it. And never 2 nights in a row, no matter what.

BTW, Fonz, why do you feel the need to use 2mg Melatonin with Ambien if Melatonin alone doesn't do anything for you?

archive_Bjaarki · 11-03-2002, 02:05 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> And no Sleep meds are bad for you speches...either(Bjaarki..... ) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damn, Fonz! And I had such a good Sermon-of-the-day about sleep meds to lay on you ... Oh well ... next time ...

I won't give you a rant, but I will suggest two words: medication holiday. Never a bad idea when you've been running through various meds, all of them useful but only for awhile, until no matter what you're doing you're not getting the relief you crave due to drug tolerance and neuroadaptation effects. That's the time to suck it up, bro, and try a medication holiday - no drugs, cold turkey, you just handle the problem with your own natural resources for a couple of weeks. It can really work wonders.

I have many times spoken about a fairly intractable insomnia from which I suffer, quite biochemically based, began the very night I stopped smoking in 1989 and has really not let up ever since. I will sometimes run on 4 or even 3 hours of sleep a night, for weeks. Tried every med you can think of, including Ambien.

Ambien at 10mg ED worked. At first. Then it didn't work so well, so I bumped it up to 15mg ED, then 20, then an early 20mg and late 10mg dose ... etc., etc.. Ultimately, I was stacking Ambien with Benadryl, and even with that I was still sleeping like shit. Sleeping like I did before I ever tried a med. That was crazy!

Something clicked, and I decided that if I was going to sleep that poorly on meds, I couldn't do a hell of a lot worse without them ... so ... I just stopped them. Medication holiday. The first few days were a nightmare (or would have been, had I been able to sleep), but within about a week I was sleeping as well (or, rather, as poorly) as I had been before I went off the meds, and within a couple of weeks I was sleeping better than at any time since the insomnia onset. I now take nothing. I just snuggle up to my gorgeous wife, she's my sleeping pill, now, and pretty soon I'm snoring. I'm getting maybe 6 hours of sleep, interrupted, most nights. That's not a lot worse than many guys my age.

No speech here on the evils of soporifics, Fonz. I respect you too much for that. But you might think about trying a medication holiday, instead of switching meds ... again. At worse, you can always start the meds any time if the holiday doesn't help you, but I bet it will.

Be well, bro.

Bjaarki

... Then, do what you have to do

archive_Flash · 11-03-2002, 02:36 PM

The old PM orgasm doesnt work any more Fonz? I'm sure you can find a nice olive skinned seniorita to help you out. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img].

I'snt G over the counter in euroupe, or at least easier to access. I like small doses, in the order of 2mg, for sleep. It takes the edge off and I can get a full 8hrs instead of the Dopamine backlash I recieve if I used 3 or 4.

[img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] I'm getting sad thinking about when I could get a liter of renewtrient for $60 at the local sup store. (sniffle)

Fonz · 11-03-2002, 02:40 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Flash:
The old PM orgasm doesnt work any more Fonz? I'm sure you can find a nice olive skinned seniorita to help you out. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img].

I'snt G over the counter in euroupe, or at least easier to access. I like small doses, in the order of 2mg, for sleep. It takes the edge off and I can get a full 8hrs instead of the Dopamine backlash I recieve if I used 3 or 4.

[img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] I'm getting sad thinking about when I could get a liter of renewtrient for $60 at the local sup store. (sniffle)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Being in the US, kills the GHB possibility.

I have no desire to rot in jail for 20 years..... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

I do not like Xanax/Valium. Utter garbage.

Fonz

No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain

----Barcelona 1992

archive_Flash · 11-03-2002, 02:56 PM

I thought you where overseas for some reason (maybe vacation or school?)...Thats too bad.

Skaver · 11-03-2002, 07:34 PM

Immovane works well, and doesn't leave you feeling groggy in the morning.

** Magnus Validus Formosus **

archive_Mr. Nobody · 11-04-2002, 06:13 AM

ever tried ketotifen or pizotifen?

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise.

archive_Ulter · 11-04-2002, 06:56 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Jonny Organon:
Ulter you just love walgreens. I can't say how many times you have said to go there. QUOTE]

I only use it as an example, like saying Walmart or K-Mart. If I said Osco for instance no one outside the midwest would know what I meant. Walgreen's is the only coast to coast pharmacy so if I say their name people know what I mean.

Fonz · 11-04-2002, 07:07 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Mr. Nobody:
ever tried ketotifen or pizotifen?

_Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise._
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL

You're talking to one of the original users of Ketotifen.

Its Ok. But not strong enough.

Fonz

No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain

----Barcelona 1992

DaMan · 11-04-2002, 08:50 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bjaarki:
I won't give you a rant, but I will suggest two words: _medication holiday_. Never a bad idea <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I 100% agree with this suggestion, and personally do what I call a pill-fast for 2 weeks. That means I don't take ANYTHING - no multivitamin, no juice (duh), no sleepies, no nootropics, really NOTHING except for ALA and joint pain stuff (MSM etc which u need to keep going or it loses efficacy).

I somehow feel like my body builds a tolerance to it. I'm sure it's just psychological, but when I start popping again it feels good.

SteelPreacher · 11-04-2002, 09:20 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> only use it as an example, like saying Walmart or K-Mart. If I said Osco for instance no one outside the midwest would know what I meant.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ulter they have osco in albuquerque where Fonz is, i know what u mean, just sayin.
FonZ smoke a joint.

Don't be fooled by the muscles that I got, I'm still, I'm still Preacher from the block! I used to have a little now I have a lot, but I still know where I came from! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Fonz · 11-04-2002, 09:26 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by SteelPreacher:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> only use it as an example, like saying Walmart or K-Mart. If I said Osco for instance no one outside the midwest would know what I meant.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ulter they have osco in albuquerque where Fonz is, i know what u mean, just sayin.
FonZ smoke a joint.

http://www.anabolicfitness.net/images/kp.jpg
Don't be fooled by the muscles that I got, I'm still, I'm still Preacher from the block! I used to have a little now I have a lot, but I still know where I came from! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Never smoked weed in my life. Nor done K nor E nor any hard drug out there.

I just don't see whats so good about them.

GHB always did the job. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Fonz

No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain

----Barcelona 1992

##spiderbaby## · 11-04-2002, 02:09 PM

Klonopin always worked well for me. I have posted this many times. Like Atarax the generic of klonopin is around $6.00 per 30. 1mg before bed works well for me. I have taken up to 10mg prior to sleepy time.

It also works wonders for nightime anxiety.

##spiderbaby##

All bleeding eventually stops.

11-03-2002, 06:59 AM	#1 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7624	The Sleep Aid/Drug thread. Have any idea? Post them. Sometines, I just HATE tren.....LOL Anyways, have gone through these things: Supplemment wise: 1. Melatonin: 3-20mg Nothing 2. 5-HTP: Garbage. 500mg a pop. Still nothing. 3. Magnesium: 2000mg. Nothing 4. Inositol: 20g Nothing. And please no Kava Kava BS, Valerian Root etc.. etc.. I could eat a truck full and I'd probably still be wide awake. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] I've neen on rotating meds: 1. Ambien(20mg) + 3mg Melatonin 2. Trazadone: 150mg(Not very good) The problem is the lowered carb intake. 100g/day I've been testing out Versed.....works. But scary as hell. 7.5mg and you go into a 12-hr coma......LOL Anybody else have better ideas? And no Sleep meds are bad for you speches...either(Bjaarki..... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] ) Fonz No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain ----Barcelona 1992 __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

11-03-2002, 07:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	I must post this 30 times a year and no one listens to me. Try Atarax, get the generic. Take it an hour before bed and you will sleep very well and long. The first couple days it will make it slightly more difficult to get going in the morning, but after that you will adjust to it. It's an antihistimine but they use it to calm people prior to surgery. What I like most about it is that if I am awakened at night and I get up and walk around, taking a pee or whatever, I go right back to sleep with no problem. I take 2 25mg tabs per night but I wouldn't recommend that the first few nights unless you are really having problems, just take 1. __________________

11-03-2002, 09:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	You need a script but any doctor will give it to you. Just tell him you have an allerigic reaction on your skin to something and he'll write it for you. 30 tabs are $4 at Walgreen's. __________________

11-03-2002, 10:55 AM	#8 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7624	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter: I must post this 30 times a year and no one listens to me. Try Atarax, get the generic. Take it an hour before bed and you will sleep very well and long. The first couple days it will make it slightly more difficult to get going in the morning, but after that you will adjust to it. It's an antihistimine but they use it to calm people prior to surgery. What I like most about it is that if I am awakened at night and I get up and walk around, taking a pee or whatever, I go right back to sleep with no problem. I take 2 25mg tabs per night but I wouldn't recommend that the first few nights unless you are really having problems, just take 1.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I asked once you recommended it. Big FAT no. My Doc is ULTRA-conservative. Hell, he was hesitant to prescribe 100mg condeine/day b/c I hurt my foot. H wanted me to try advil instead.... I swear I almost knocked him out.... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] Fonz No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain ----Barcelona 1992 __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

11-03-2002, 02:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
archive_Bjaarki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,673 Rep Power: 13546	<BLOCKQUOTE class="-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And no Sleep meds are bad for you speches...either(Bjaarki..... ) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Damn, Fonz! And I had such a good Sermon-of-the-day about sleep meds to lay on you ... Oh well ... next time ... I won't give you a rant, but I will suggest two words: medication holiday**. Never a bad idea when you've been running through various meds, all of them useful but only for awhile, until no matter what you're doing you're not getting the relief you crave due to drug tolerance and neuroadaptation effects. That's the time to suck it up, bro, and try a medication holiday - no drugs, cold turkey, you just handle the problem with your own natural resources for a couple of weeks. It can really work wonders. I have many times spoken about a fairly intractable insomnia from which I suffer, quite biochemically based, began the very night I stopped smoking in 1989 and has really not let up ever since. I will sometimes run on 4 or even 3 hours of sleep a night, for weeks. Tried every med you can think of, including Ambien. Ambien at 10mg ED worked. At first. Then it didn't work so well, so I bumped it up to 15mg ED, then 20, then an early 20mg and late 10mg dose ... etc., etc.. Ultimately, I was stacking Ambien with Benadryl, and even with that I was still sleeping like shit. Sleeping like I did before I ever tried a med. That was crazy! Something clicked, and I decided that if I was going to sleep that poorly on meds, I couldn't do a hell of a lot worse without them ... so ... I just stopped them. Medication holiday. The first few days were a nightmare (or would have been, had I been able to sleep), but within about a week I was sleeping as well (or, rather, as poorly) as I had been before I went off the meds, and within a couple of weeks I was sleeping better than at any time since the insomnia onset. I now take nothing. I just snuggle up to my gorgeous wife, she's my sleeping pill, now, and pretty soon I'm snoring. I'm getting maybe 6 hours of sleep, interrupted, most nights. That's not a lot worse than many guys my age. No speech here on the evils of soporifics, Fonz. I respect you too much for that. But you might think about trying a medication holiday, instead of switching meds ... again. At worse, you can always start the meds any time if the holiday doesn't help you, but I bet it will. Be well, bro. Bjaarki ... Then, do what you have to do __________________ First, say to yourself what you would become. Then, do what you have to do.

11-03-2002, 07:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
archive_Lift Or Die Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 258 Rep Power: 6065	I've tried all those supplement sleep aids and none of them work for me. 1mg Xanax knocks me out pretty good, 2mg and I can sleep for 12 hours straight, get up for 2 hours and go back to sleep for another 4 or 5. I'll occasionally switch the xanax with ambian. I can sleep ok on 10mg ambian but 20mg works better. The only problem with either of these is I feel groggy for the rest of the day after waking up. Xanax seems to be harder on me than ambian. Both of those benzo's are supposed to be addictive but I never "feel" a need that I have to have them. The only time I use them is when I've gone several days without getting a good nights sleep. I don't know, if anyone can suggest something that works I'd be interested to hear it.

11-03-2002, 09:05 AM	#4 (permalink)
archive_Lift Or Die Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 258 Rep Power: 6065	Ulter, is atarax OTC or do you need a script? Can you get this from somewhere like pillstore?

11-03-2002, 10:51 AM	#6 (permalink)
archive_MR. BMJ Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 1,869 Rep Power: 7960	Cool...I have Atarax in the ol' cabinet. I new I had heard that name before. Gonna have to give them a try! Thanks for the info man. And yes, i've probably heard you suggest this at least 29 of the 30 times over the last year...lol... BMJ

11-03-2002, 10:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
Jonny Organon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 605 Rep Power: 6264	Ulter you just love walgreens. I can't say how many times you have said to go there. Anyways...If you don't care just take nyquil..Ha ha....In all seriousness though last summer I had trouble sleeping and I used klonopin and it worked great. It is an anxiety med but you sleep like a friggen baby. I am not sure if it would be addictive but I highly doubt it. Its cheap and it works great. I am pretty sure healthpluspharmacy carries it?

11-03-2002, 11:25 AM	#9 (permalink)
Slowmo21 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 137 Rep Power: 5602	I'm more interested in what meds actually promote "normal" sleep (aside from G.. of course). With Ambien I feel as though the sleep I get isn't really the same as without it. I don't wake up totally refreshed, even after 8 hours. So I'm guessing that kind of sleep isn't optimal for growth either. Definitely going to try Atarax next but I'm not sure if it's really my best choice. My problem is anxiety, only at night when I need to sleep. If I have something big coming up or have to wake up early I get stressed "only have 7 more hours before I have to get up, must sleep right NOW". So I guess anti anxiety meds would help me. Any recommendations? I'm not worried about dependance because I only take a med a couple of nights a week when I REALLY need it. And never 2 nights in a row, no matter what. BTW, Fonz, why do you feel the need to use 2mg Melatonin with Ambien if Melatonin alone doesn't do anything for you?

11-03-2002, 02:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
archive_Flash Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,683 Rep Power: 7050	The old PM orgasm doesnt work any more Fonz? I'm sure you can find a nice olive skinned seniorita to help you out. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]. I'snt G over the counter in euroupe, or at least easier to access. I like small doses, in the order of 2mg, for sleep. It takes the edge off and I can get a full 8hrs instead of the Dopamine backlash I recieve if I used 3 or 4. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] I'm getting sad thinking about when I could get a liter of renewtrient for $60 at the local sup store. (sniffle) __________________ SELF ASSEMBLY REQUIRED

11-03-2002, 02:40 PM	#12 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7624	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flash: The old PM orgasm doesnt work any more Fonz? I'm sure you can find a nice olive skinned seniorita to help you out. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]. I'snt G over the counter in euroupe, or at least easier to access. I like small doses, in the order of 2mg, for sleep. It takes the edge off and I can get a full 8hrs instead of the Dopamine backlash I recieve if I used 3 or 4. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] I'm getting sad thinking about when I could get a liter of renewtrient for $60 at the local sup store. (sniffle)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Being in the US, kills the GHB possibility. I have no desire to rot in jail for 20 years..... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] I do not like Xanax/Valium. Utter garbage. Fonz No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain ----Barcelona 1992 __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

11-03-2002, 02:56 PM	#13 (permalink)
archive_Flash Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,683 Rep Power: 7050	I thought you where overseas for some reason (maybe vacation or school?)...Thats too bad. __________________ SELF ASSEMBLY REQUIRED

11-03-2002, 07:34 PM	#14 (permalink)
Skaver Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 396 Rep Power: 5811	Immovane works well, and doesn't leave you feeling groggy in the morning. ** Magnus Validus Formosus __________________ Magnus Validus Formosus **

11-04-2002, 06:13 AM	#15 (permalink)
archive_Mr. Nobody Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 11939	ever tried ketotifen or pizotifen? Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise.

11-04-2002, 06:56 AM	#16 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	[quote]Originally posted by Jonny Organon: Ulter you just love walgreens. I can't say how many times you have said to go there. QUOTE] I only use it as an example, like saying Walmart or K-Mart. If I said Osco for instance no one outside the midwest would know what I meant. Walgreen's is the only coast to coast pharmacy so if I say their name people know what I mean. __________________

11-04-2002, 07:07 AM	#17 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7624	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Nobody: ever tried ketotifen or pizotifen? _Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise._ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> LOL You're talking to one of the original users of Ketotifen. Its Ok. But not strong enough. Fonz No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain ----Barcelona 1992 __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

11-04-2002, 08:50 AM	#18 (permalink)
DaMan Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 735 Rep Power: 6156	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bjaarki: I won't give you a rant, but I will suggest two words: _medication holiday_. Never a bad idea <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I 100% agree with this suggestion, and personally do what I call a pill-fast for 2 weeks. That means I don't take ANYTHING - no multivitamin, no juice (duh), no sleepies, no nootropics, really NOTHING except for ALA and joint pain stuff (MSM etc which u need to keep going or it loses efficacy). I somehow feel like my body builds a tolerance to it. I'm sure it's just psychological, but when I start popping again it feels good.

11-04-2002, 09:20 AM	#19 (permalink)
SteelPreacher Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,091 Rep Power: 5936	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> only use it as an example, like saying Walmart or K-Mart. If I said Osco for instance no one outside the midwest would know what I meant.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Ulter they have osco in albuquerque where Fonz is, i know what u mean, just sayin. FonZ smoke a joint. Don't be fooled by the muscles that I got, I'm still, I'm still Preacher from the block! I used to have a little now I have a lot, but I still know where I came from! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] __________________ I can make you a celebrity overnight. Winners see problems as just another way to prove themselves! D.T.

11-04-2002, 09:26 AM	#20 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7624	<BLOCKQUOTE class="-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SteelPreacher: <BLOCKQUOTE class="-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> only use it as an example, like saying Walmart or K-Mart. If I said Osco for instance no one outside the midwest would know what I meant.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Ulter they have osco in albuquerque where Fonz is, i know what u mean, just sayin. FonZ smoke a joint. http://www.anabolicfitness.net/images/kp.jpg Don't be fooled by the muscles that I got, I'm still, I'm still Preacher from the block! I used to have a little now I have a lot, but I still know where I came from! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Never smoked weed in my life. Nor done K nor E nor any hard drug out there. I just don't see whats so good about them. GHB always did the job. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] Fonz No Pain....No Gain.....No Spain ----Barcelona 1992 __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

11-04-2002, 02:09 PM	#21 (permalink)
##spiderbaby## Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 260 Rep Power: 5569	Klonopin always worked well for me. I have posted this many times. Like Atarax the generic of klonopin is around $6.00 per 30. 1mg before bed works well for me. I have taken up to 10mg prior to sleepy time. It also works wonders for nightime anxiety. ##spiderbaby## All bleeding eventually stops. __________________ ##spiderbaby## All bleeding eventually stops.

11-04-2002, 03:01 PM	#22 (permalink)
Fukkenshredded Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,036 Rep Power: 13713