Met flex wheeler on saturday

archive_METHYL MIKE · 08-05-2002, 05:47 PM

At a show in my city. Dude looks AWESOME, guest posed, oh man. He looks incredible! Gotta get those hamstrings in shape, but man, for being like 2 months out he is in fantastic shape! Met him too, real nice guy, real quiet. He coulda signed my foto with something more than "Jason, from Flex" but o well, it was still cool. I hope for the best come olympia time! I was sad when he retired because I thought I would never get to see him compete in person, but I get my chance this year and Im not missing it!

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Anabolicum Mr. · 08-05-2002, 06:56 PM

Is he still all natural?

Billy_Bathgate · 08-05-2002, 08:02 PM

I think a few months ago in MD he said screw going natural and is back full...or something to that extent. Of course he wouldnt say exactly what he was or would use, but he wouldnt deny drug use. He said he didnt want to talk about it.

division · 08-05-2002, 10:08 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Anabolicum Mr.:
Is he still all natural?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's like asking if Lee Priest is "still all natural". Never was, never will be.

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archive_METHYL MIKE · 08-06-2002, 12:48 PM

LOL not natural in the least. Hands were so squishy, like sponges! But looks better than i've ever seen, so its all good.

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archive_Dancer · 08-06-2002, 01:12 PM

Ya know, I liked the from the beginning; until he pulled that "roids are wrong" BS... I remember reading his little adventure in Christendom how he was all saved and drugs were wrong, using roids are against his religion bullshit more bullshit yeap some more bullshit...

And a short months later "only Jesus can judge me" and back to the evil roids to pay bills and compete...

I got no respect for the guy he's nothin more than a mofoing hypocrite.

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THE PROTOTYPE · 08-06-2002, 03:50 PM

I've always admired Flex and his physique from the beginning(NPC). I've never seen anyone go to war with the equipment this guy has. In fact, he should of been Mr.Olympia at least twice during his career and that's no BS!!! His and Arnold's physiques are the BEST of all time. No one comes close!!!!!

division · 08-06-2002, 05:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by THE PROTOTYPE:
he should of been Mr.Olympia at least twice during his career<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He has always been an underachiever, considering the genetics he was given. At the Olympia he was always beaten out by more massive, harder guys. He and Shawn Ray would have been more successful if they were competing back in the Arnold era. It's hard for a man of Flex's size to make up for the sheer mass that guys like Ronnie and Nasser display. To beat those guys he would have to come in absolute perfect ripped condition and to this point, he has rarely done that.

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THE PROTOTYPE · 08-06-2002, 09:30 PM

How can he be an underachiever when he's won more shows than any other bodybuilder, EVER??? More than Levrone, Ray, Dillet, Yates, Nasser, and Coleman...

division · 08-08-2002, 01:00 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by THE PROTOTYPE:
How can he be an underachiever when he's won more shows than any other bodybuilder, EVER??? More than Levrone, Ray, Dillet, Yates, Nasser, and Coleman...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He's won more shows, but the problem is he hasn't won enough of the big shows. How many Mr. Olympias does he have? How many NOC trophies does he have? Sure he can beat any rinky dink lineup that compete at the small shows, but against the best of the heavyweights he rarely wins. He doesn't have the size to beat Coleman when he's in great shape.

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archive_METHYL MIKE · 08-08-2002, 04:18 PM

In a way he is an underachiever, but only in the sense that he hasnt won the olympia! Jeez, what a lazy bum LOL!!! Gimme a break, the man won the arnold what, 3 times now? At his best he is the best, but the problem tends to be he isnt at his best. He seems to have had some spiritual problems in the past as well as several kids. I couldnt imagine trying to be Mr. O and raising kids! But I still have high hopes for him, he could do a lot for the sport as Mr. O. After seeing him saturday, I have VERY high hopes.

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THE PROTOTYPE · 08-09-2002, 10:27 AM

Same here, Methyl Mike! Flex has won every other contest under the sun, except Mr.Olympia! Division, fact is the same pros that compete in the bigger shows, are the same pros that compete in the "smaller" shows. The only thing that "might" have hindered Flex is he competed in most of the earlier shows. By the time he reached the Olympia, his body was shot. Anyone that competes, which I don't, knows that your body can only peak twice, maybe three times a year. That's why Lee, Dorian, and Ronnie only competed once a year. Allow me to make a few analogies. Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, and Barry Sanders went their entire careers without winning the Superbowl. Do you think they are failures? John Stockton, Karl Malone, and Charles Barkley have played their entire career without winning a NBA championship. Does anyone call them losers? I don't think so....

division · 08-09-2002, 11:03 AM

I wouldn't say your analogy is the best way to illustrate your point, but I understand what you are saying. Pro BB can only peak 1-3 times per year depending on several factors, professional athletes are a completely different animal. BB are judged on their physique, athletes are judged on their physical acheivements. Charles Barkley is in the top 5 of power forwards ever to play in the NBA, but the fact that he didn't win a championship somewhat diminishes his placing among the best players ever. He had his chance in 1992 with Phoenix and he couldn't will his team to beat Jordan and the Bulls. In the world's biggest stage, Barkley didn't win and in the same way, Flex hasn't proved he can beat those guys when it counts. It's one thing to beat Nasser, Coleman, Priest, Levrone in the smaller shows, but if he can't beat them at the Olympia or the NOC, what does that say about Flex? I never said he was a "failure", only that he was an "underachiever". You compare him to Arnold, yet Arnold actually won the big shows, he had a stronger will I think than Flex. Flex has been competing for about a decade now and has 0 Olympia titles to show for it. Dorian Yates did more with less than Flex.

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THE PROTOTYPE · 08-10-2002, 12:17 AM

Division, I can't say Flex is an underachiever because he's proven he can beat just about everyone that was worth anything in bodybuilding. He's beaten Levrone, Priest, Cutler, Nasser, Cormier, even Coleman, albeit before Coleman's "Tranformation". The only one he didn't beat was Dorian, but who else did?? Oh yeah, as far as Barkley goes he was still one of the 50 greatest players of All Time. A league MVP, Olympic Gold Medal Winner, 13 Time All Star, and Rebounding Champion. Not too bad for a 6'4" Power Forward, huh?

division · 08-11-2002, 09:01 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by THE PROTOTYPE:
Division, I can't say Flex is an underachiever because he's proven he can beat just about everyone that was worth anything in bodybuilding. He's beaten Levrone, Priest, Cutler, Nasser, Cormier, even Coleman, albeit before Coleman's "Tranformation". The only one he didn't beat was Dorian, but who else did?? Oh yeah, as far as Barkley goes he was still one of the 50 greatest players of All Time. A league MVP, Olympic Gold Medal Winner, 13 Time All Star, and Rebounding Champion. Not too bad for a 6'4" Power Forward, huh?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never said he never beat those guys, I said he hasn't proved he can beat the top guys at the NOC, and Mr. Olympia. With his genetics, there's not reason he shouldn't have at least *one* Olympia title by now.

I live in Phoenix, so I know all about Barkley and his accomplishments. He redefined the power forward position and I would rate him above Karl Malone as far as PF's go all time. Still, he hasn't won a championship, even when he did have an opportunnity to do so. In 92 the Suns had the best record in the NBA and home court advantage throughout the playoffs and Barkley couldn't carry them to the elusive title. If he had won at least one title, I think his placing among the all-time greats would be higher, similiar to Jordan, Magic & Bird.

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hooker · 08-11-2002, 09:08 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by THE PROTOTYPE:
Same here, Methyl Mike! Flex has won every other contest under the sun, except Mr.Olympia! Division, fact is the same pros that compete in the bigger shows, are the same pros that compete in the "smaller" shows. The only thing that "might" have hindered Flex is he competed in most of the earlier shows. By the time he reached the Olympia, his body was shot. Anyone that competes, which I don't, knows that your body can only peak twice, maybe three times a year. That's why Lee, Dorian, and Ronnie only competed once a year. Allow me to make a few analogies. Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, and Barry Sanders went their entire careers without winning the Superbowl. Do you think they are failures? John Stockton, Karl Malone, and Charles Barkley have played their entire career without winning a NBA championship. Does anyone call them losers? I don't think so....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Although, he only won the Arnold 3x because Ronnie wasn't in it...and when Ronnie was, Flex didn't win. Can we talk more about oily guys in speedos?

Monster · 08-11-2002, 11:27 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> I couldnt imagine trying to be Mr. O and raising kids! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bullshit.
Before he ever had kids and before any of it he was and will always be basically lazy.
He needs to be babied, he has openly stated that he hates to train and that when he quit competing for good he'll never go in a gym again.

All the people who make it are hungry. They start off hungry and stay hungry.

To me Flex is an OVER achiever. He gets more than he should have BECAUSE of genetics! Dont get me wrong, I actually like the guy a lot, but if he didnt have what amounts to probobly the best genetics EVER, he wouldnt even have made it as a pro.
Poor work ethic and inconsistent dedication to diet are his major fallbacks.
Think about it, at his best his is tremendous! But how often is he at his best? All those shows he won were against either 1) nobodies, or 2) the rest of the pro line up competing FAR below their best because its just money making bullshit shows.

The whole Grand Prix circuit (for example) is just bullshit really, its a chance to qualify for the Olympia and make a little cash in the mean time. No one seriously preps for them like the Arnold, NOC or Olympia...

His Arnold wins are a combination of "every dog has his day" and the ansence of anyone to compete with him on his level (i.e your Dorians and Ronnies...)

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THE PROTOTYPE · 08-11-2002, 05:07 PM

Guys, the bottom line is this. Whenever you enter a show, your sole purpose is to win. If it isn't, then you need to find any line of work. Now if you don't win, you have NO ONE to blame but yourself. As far as making excuses for the Pros not prepping because it's not the Olympia, that's BS! Flex has beat EVERYONE worth anything except Dorian. If that makes him a failure, then I guess he is. It's also not his fault if Dorian and Ronnie never competed in the Arnold. As a competitor, you can't worry about what anyone does except yourself.

THE PROTOTYPE · 08-11-2002, 05:11 PM

Oh yeah Division, did I mention I'm a big Barkley fan. Even though, he didn't win a championship I would still put him in the same class as Bird and Magic. Jordan? Well, no one is on his level....

Monster · 08-12-2002, 04:20 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by THE PROTOTYPE:
Guys, the bottom line is this. Whenever you enter a show, your sole purpose is to win. If it isn't, then you need to find any line of work.

As far as making excuses for the Pros not prepping because it's not the Olympia, that's BS! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very wrong.
The bottom line is that you can only peak so many times in a competetive season, flat out. The sad truth is that many pros enter the european shows strictly to get a qualification for the Olympia. Look at the Grand Prix this year! Dareem Charles beat the hell out of EVERYONE at one show?!?! Why? Not because of his "superior structure" over their "mass"... it was because he was in shape for the show and they werent. They were there for extra money, or to fulfill some obligation of some sort. Most of the top ten competitors for the Olympia at the Grand Prix were smooth and no where near competition ready. There is no need to find another line of work because thats the way the business works. Everyone enters into it with unrealistic and probobly semi-romanticized ideals about "winning" and being the best. But in the end, your landlord isnt going to understand that you finished first in the "Round the Way Classic" and that the piddly winnings only payed the car note, and therefore couldnt peak a second time for the "Big Show" that would have payed all the bills.
Thats the business. Plain and simple. It about the money (as is life).

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marky · 08-12-2002, 07:16 PM

Flex has been on for a long time in order to obtain his prize physique. Comming off was a wake-up call to how much they have become a part of him. The depressio0n and anxiety he must have felt were probably tremendous. Ergo, back on, back in.

DROCK · 08-14-2002, 06:54 AM

Bullshit.
Before he ever had kids and before any of it he was and will always be basically lazy.
He needs to be babied, he has openly stated that he hates to train and that when he quit competing for good he'll never go in a gym again.

All the people who make it are hungry. They start off hungry and stay hungry.

To me Flex is an OVER achiever. He gets more than he should have BECAUSE of genetics! Dont get me wrong, I actually like the guy a lot, but if he didnt have what amounts to probobly the best genetics EVER, he wouldnt even have made it as a pro.
Poor work ethic and inconsistent dedication to diet are his major fallbacks.
Think about it, at his best his is tremendous! But how often is he at his best? All those shows he won were against either 1) nobodies, or 2) the rest of the pro line up competing FAR below their best because its just money making bullshit shows.

I AGREE!!!

The man has some of, if not the best genetics in bodybuilding and he never seems to go the last mile..If he once came in as big as usaual and as hard as dorian or ronnie then I think his carreer would have a total different turnout..I truely admire the man but at the same time he is a terrible dissapointment, just think of what he could have been had he reached the conditioning that he should have...

08-05-2002, 05:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
archive_METHYL MIKE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,010 Rep Power: 6673	Met flex wheeler on saturday At a show in my city. Dude looks AWESOME, guest posed, oh man. He looks incredible! Gotta get those hamstrings in shape, but man, for being like 2 months out he is in fantastic shape! Met him too, real nice guy, real quiet. He coulda signed my foto with something more than "Jason, from Flex" but o well, it was still cool. I hope for the best come olympia time! I was sad when he retired because I thought I would never get to see him compete in person, but I get my chance this year and Im not missing it! "I'm on the outside, and I'm looking in" www.anabolicscience.com

08-05-2002, 10:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
division Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 245 Rep Power: 5210	Ha! <BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Anabolicum Mr.: Is he still all natural?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That's like asking if Lee Priest is "still all natural". Never was, never will be. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] "Good Girls Get Fat, Bad Girls Get Eaten" - Deja_Voodoo __________________ &quot;Better laugh now, then cry when I come 2 get you. I hit you w/ 2 glocks &amp; leave you w/ scar tissue. On some loco shit, my pistol smoke yo&apos; shit. Let&apos;s go 4 dolo-BIATCH &amp; watch me flow yo&apos; shit.&quot; - Pac

08-06-2002, 05:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
division Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 245 Rep Power: 5210	Coulda Shoulda <BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE PROTOTYPE: he should of been Mr.Olympia at least twice during his career<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> He has always been an underachiever, considering the genetics he was given. At the Olympia he was always beaten out by more massive, harder guys. He and Shawn Ray would have been more successful if they were competing back in the Arnold era. It's hard for a man of Flex's size to make up for the sheer mass that guys like Ronnie and Nasser display. To beat those guys he would have to come in absolute perfect ripped condition and to this point, he has rarely done that. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif[/img] "Good Girls Get Fat, Bad Girls Get Eaten" - Deja_Voodoo __________________ &quot;Better laugh now, then cry when I come 2 get you. I hit you w/ 2 glocks &amp; leave you w/ scar tissue. On some loco shit, my pistol smoke yo&apos; shit. Let&apos;s go 4 dolo-BIATCH &amp; watch me flow yo&apos; shit.&quot; - Pac

08-08-2002, 01:00 AM	#10 (permalink)
division Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 245 Rep Power: 5210	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE PROTOTYPE: How can he be an underachiever when he's won more shows than any other bodybuilder, EVER??? More than Levrone, Ray, Dillet, Yates, Nasser, and Coleman...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> He's won more shows, but the problem is he hasn't won enough of the big shows. How many Mr. Olympias does he have? How many NOC trophies does he have? Sure he can beat any rinky dink lineup that compete at the small shows, but against the best of the heavyweights he rarely wins. He doesn't have the size to beat Coleman when he's in great shape. "Good Girls Get Fat, Bad Girls Get Eaten" - Deja_Voodoo __________________ &quot;Better laugh now, then cry when I come 2 get you. I hit you w/ 2 glocks &amp; leave you w/ scar tissue. On some loco shit, my pistol smoke yo&apos; shit. Let&apos;s go 4 dolo-BIATCH &amp; watch me flow yo&apos; shit.&quot; - Pac

08-09-2002, 11:03 AM	#13 (permalink)
division Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 245 Rep Power: 5210	Good Point. I wouldn't say your analogy is the best way to illustrate your point, but I understand what you are saying. Pro BB can only peak 1-3 times per year depending on several factors, professional athletes are a completely different animal. BB are judged on their physique, athletes are judged on their physical acheivements. Charles Barkley is in the top 5 of power forwards ever to play in the NBA, but the fact that he didn't win a championship somewhat diminishes his placing among the best players ever. He had his chance in 1992 with Phoenix and he couldn't will his team to beat Jordan and the Bulls. In the world's biggest stage, Barkley didn't win and in the same way, Flex hasn't proved he can beat those guys when it counts. It's one thing to beat Nasser, Coleman, Priest, Levrone in the smaller shows, but if he can't beat them at the Olympia or the NOC, what does that say about Flex? I never said he was a "failure", only that he was an "underachiever". You compare him to Arnold, yet Arnold actually won the big shows, he had a stronger will I think than Flex. Flex has been competing for about a decade now and has 0 Olympia titles to show for it. Dorian Yates did more with less than Flex. "Good Girls Get Fat, Bad Girls Get Eaten" - Deja_Voodoo __________________ &quot;Better laugh now, then cry when I come 2 get you. I hit you w/ 2 glocks &amp; leave you w/ scar tissue. On some loco shit, my pistol smoke yo&apos; shit. Let&apos;s go 4 dolo-BIATCH &amp; watch me flow yo&apos; shit.&quot; - Pac

08-05-2002, 06:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Anabolicum Mr. Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 629 Rep Power: 6594	Is he still all natural?

08-05-2002, 08:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
Billy_Bathgate Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,278 Rep Power: 7041	I think a few months ago in MD he said screw going natural and is back full...or something to that extent. Of course he wouldnt say exactly what he was or would use, but he wouldnt deny drug use. He said he didnt want to talk about it.

08-06-2002, 12:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
archive_METHYL MIKE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,010 Rep Power: 6673	LOL not natural in the least. Hands were so squishy, like sponges! But looks better than i've ever seen, so its all good. "I'm on the outside, and I'm looking in" www.anabolicscience.com

08-06-2002, 03:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
THE PROTOTYPE Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 224 Rep Power: 5671	I've always admired Flex and his physique from the beginning(NPC). I've never seen anyone go to war with the equipment this guy has. In fact, he should of been Mr.Olympia at least twice during his career and that's no BS!!! His and Arnold's physiques are the BEST of all time. No one comes close!!!!!

08-06-2002, 09:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
THE PROTOTYPE Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 224 Rep Power: 5671	How can he be an underachiever when he's won more shows than any other bodybuilder, EVER??? More than Levrone, Ray, Dillet, Yates, Nasser, and Coleman...

08-08-2002, 04:18 PM	#11 (permalink)
archive_METHYL MIKE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,010 Rep Power: 6673	In a way he is an underachiever, but only in the sense that he hasnt won the olympia! Jeez, what a lazy bum LOL!!! Gimme a break, the man won the arnold what, 3 times now? At his best he is the best, but the problem tends to be he isnt at his best. He seems to have had some spiritual problems in the past as well as several kids. I couldnt imagine trying to be Mr. O and raising kids! But I still have high hopes for him, he could do a lot for the sport as Mr. O. After seeing him saturday, I have VERY high hopes. "I'm on the outside, and I'm looking in" www.anabolicscience.com

08-09-2002, 10:27 AM	#12 (permalink)
THE PROTOTYPE Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 224 Rep Power: 5671	Same here, Methyl Mike! Flex has won every other contest under the sun, except Mr.Olympia! Division, fact is the same pros that compete in the bigger shows, are the same pros that compete in the "smaller" shows. The only thing that "might" have hindered Flex is he competed in most of the earlier shows. By the time he reached the Olympia, his body was shot. Anyone that competes, which I don't, knows that your body can only peak twice, maybe three times a year. That's why Lee, Dorian, and Ronnie only competed once a year. Allow me to make a few analogies. Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, and Barry Sanders went their entire careers without winning the Superbowl. Do you think they are failures? John Stockton, Karl Malone, and Charles Barkley have played their entire career without winning a NBA championship. Does anyone call them losers? I don't think so....

08-10-2002, 12:17 AM	#14 (permalink)
THE PROTOTYPE Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 224 Rep Power: 5671	Division, I can't say Flex is an underachiever because he's proven he can beat just about everyone that was worth anything in bodybuilding. He's beaten Levrone, Priest, Cutler, Nasser, Cormier, even Coleman, albeit before Coleman's "Tranformation". The only one he didn't beat was Dorian, but who else did?? Oh yeah, as far as Barkley goes he was still one of the 50 greatest players of All Time. A league MVP, Olympic Gold Medal Winner, 13 Time All Star, and Rebounding Champion. Not too bad for a 6'4" Power Forward, huh?

08-11-2002, 09:01 AM	#15 (permalink)
division Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 245 Rep Power: 5210	Flex <BLOCKQUOTE class="*-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE PROTOTYPE: Division, I can't say Flex is an underachiever because he's proven he can beat just about everyone that was worth anything in bodybuilding. He's beaten Levrone, Priest, Cutler, Nasser, Cormier, even Coleman, albeit before Coleman's "Tranformation". The only one he didn't beat was Dorian, but who else did?? Oh yeah, as far as Barkley goes he was still one of the 50 greatest players of All Time. A league MVP, Olympic Gold Medal Winner, 13 Time All Star, and Rebounding Champion. Not too bad for a 6'4" Power Forward, huh?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I never said he never beat those guys, I said he hasn't proved he can beat the top guys at the NOC, and Mr. Olympia. With his genetics, there's not reason he shouldn't have at least one* Olympia title by now. I live in Phoenix, so I know all about Barkley and his accomplishments. He redefined the power forward position and I would rate him above Karl Malone as far as PF's go all time. Still, he hasn't won a championship, even when he did have an opportunnity to do so. In 92 the Suns had the best record in the NBA and home court advantage throughout the playoffs and Barkley couldn't carry them to the elusive title. If he had won at least one title, I think his placing among the all-time greats would be higher, similiar to Jordan, Magic & Bird. "Good Girls Get Fat, Bad Girls Get Eaten" - Deja_Voodoo __________________ &quot;Better laugh now, then cry when I come 2 get you. I hit you w/ 2 glocks &amp; leave you w/ scar tissue. On some loco shit, my pistol smoke yo&apos; shit. Let&apos;s go 4 dolo-BIATCH &amp; watch me flow yo&apos; shit.&quot; - Pac

08-11-2002, 09:08 AM	#16 (permalink)
hooker Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 776 Rep Power: 5807	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE PROTOTYPE: Same here, Methyl Mike! Flex has won every other contest under the sun, except Mr.Olympia! Division, fact is the same pros that compete in the bigger shows, are the same pros that compete in the "smaller" shows. The only thing that "might" have hindered Flex is he competed in most of the earlier shows. By the time he reached the Olympia, his body was shot. Anyone that competes, which I don't, knows that your body can only peak twice, maybe three times a year. That's why Lee, Dorian, and Ronnie only competed once a year. Allow me to make a few analogies. Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, and Barry Sanders went their entire careers without winning the Superbowl. Do you think they are failures? John Stockton, Karl Malone, and Charles Barkley have played their entire career without winning a NBA championship. Does anyone call them losers? I don't think so....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Although, he only won the Arnold 3x because Ronnie wasn't in it...and when Ronnie was, Flex didn't win. Can we talk more about oily guys in speedos? __________________ www.bodybuilding4life.com

08-11-2002, 11:27 AM	#17 (permalink)
Monster Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 5,637 Rep Power: 11921	<BLOCKQUOTE class="*-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I couldnt imagine trying to be Mr. O and raising kids! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Bullshit. Before he ever had kids and before any of it he was and will always be basically lazy. He needs to be babied, he has openly stated that he hates to train and that when he quit competing for good he'll never go in a gym again. All the people who make it are hungry. They start off hungry and stay hungry. To me Flex is an OVER achiever. He gets more than he should have BECAUSE of genetics! Dont get me wrong, I actually like the guy a lot, but if he didnt have what amounts to probobly the best genetics EVER, he wouldnt even have made it as a pro. Poor work ethic and inconsistent dedication to diet are his major fallbacks. Think about it, at his best his is tremendous! But how often is he at his best? All those shows he won were against either 1) nobodies, or 2) the rest of the pro line up competing FAR below their best because its just money making bullshit shows. The whole Grand Prix circuit (for example) is just bullshit really, its a chance to qualify for the Olympia and make a little cash in the mean time. No one seriously preps for them like the Arnold, NOC or Olympia... His Arnold wins are a combination of "every dog has his day" and the ansence of anyone to compete with him on his level (i.e your Dorians and Ronnies...) ------------------------- Monsterland Gear pics and assorted crap. "Trying is the first step towards failure." "Well, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is... never try." __________________ ------------------------- &quot;I would NEVER call a retarded person a retard. Retard is what you call your friends when theyre acting retarded.&quot;* - Michael Scott &quot;I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.&quot; -- Robert Dawkins

08-11-2002, 05:07 PM	#18 (permalink)
THE PROTOTYPE Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 224 Rep Power: 5671	Guys, the bottom line is this. Whenever you enter a show, your sole purpose is to win. If it isn't, then you need to find any line of work. Now if you don't win, you have NO ONE to blame but yourself. As far as making excuses for the Pros not prepping because it's not the Olympia, that's BS! Flex has beat EVERYONE worth anything except Dorian. If that makes him a failure, then I guess he is. It's also not his fault if Dorian and Ronnie never competed in the Arnold. As a competitor, you can't worry about what anyone does except yourself.

08-11-2002, 05:11 PM	#19 (permalink)
THE PROTOTYPE Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 224 Rep Power: 5671	Oh yeah Division, did I mention I'm a big Barkley fan. Even though, he didn't win a championship I would still put him in the same class as Bird and Magic. Jordan? Well, no one is on his level....

08-12-2002, 04:20 PM	#20 (permalink)
Monster Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 5,637 Rep Power: 11921	<BLOCKQUOTE class="*-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE PROTOTYPE: Guys, the bottom line is this. Whenever you enter a show, your sole purpose is to win. If it isn't, then you need to find any line of work. As far as making excuses for the Pros not prepping because it's not the Olympia, that's BS! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Very wrong. The bottom line is that you can only peak so many times in a competetive season, flat out. The sad truth is that many pros enter the european shows strictly to get a qualification for the Olympia. Look at the Grand Prix this year! Dareem Charles beat the hell out of EVERYONE at one show?!?! Why? Not because of his "superior structure" over their "mass"... it was because he was in shape for the show and they werent. They were there for extra money, or to fulfill some obligation of some sort. Most of the top ten competitors for the Olympia at the Grand Prix were smooth and no where near competition ready. There is no need to find another line of work because thats the way the business works. Everyone enters into it with unrealistic and probobly semi-romanticized ideals about "winning" and being the best. But in the end, your landlord isnt going to understand that you finished first in the "Round the Way Classic" and that the piddly winnings only payed the car note, and therefore couldnt peak a second time for the "Big Show" that would have payed all the bills. Thats the business. Plain and simple. It about the money (as is life). ------------------------- Monsterland Gear pics and assorted crap. "Trying is the first step towards failure." "Well, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is... never try." __________________ ------------------------- &quot;I would NEVER call a retarded person a retard. Retard is what you call your friends when theyre acting retarded.&quot;* - Michael Scott &quot;I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.&quot; -- Robert Dawkins

08-12-2002, 07:16 PM	#21 (permalink)
marky Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 99 Rep Power: 5636	Maybe its more simple Flex has been on for a long time in order to obtain his prize physique. Comming off was a wake-up call to how much they have become a part of him. The depressio0n and anxiety he must have felt were probably tremendous. Ergo, back on, back in.

08-14-2002, 06:54 AM	#22 (permalink)
DROCK Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 5359	Bullshit. Before he ever had kids and before any of it he was and will always be basically lazy. He needs to be babied, he has openly stated that he hates to train and that when he quit competing for good he'll never go in a gym again. All the people who make it are hungry. They start off hungry and stay hungry. To me Flex is an OVER achiever. He gets more than he should have BECAUSE of genetics! Dont get me wrong, I actually like the guy a lot, but if he didnt have what amounts to probobly the best genetics EVER, he wouldnt even have made it as a pro. Poor work ethic and inconsistent dedication to diet are his major fallbacks. Think about it, at his best his is tremendous! But how often is he at his best? All those shows he won were against either 1) nobodies, or 2) the rest of the pro line up competing FAR below their best because its just money making bullshit shows. I AGREE!!! The man has some of, if not the best genetics in bodybuilding and he never seems to go the last mile..If he once came in as big as usaual and as hard as dorian or ronnie then I think his carreer would have a total different turnout..I truely admire the man but at the same time he is a terrible dissapointment, just think of what he could have been had he reached the conditioning that he should have...