First cycle advice

[slaplap]

I am 19, 5'10" 195 with about 14-15% bodyfat. I have been lifting for 5 years and researching steriods for 2. I am looking to get down to about 10% before starting a bulking cycle. I understand that diet and cardio are the two main factors in dropping bodyfat. I am thinking of doing a little cutting cycle to help. I am currently on a very clean diet, NYC stack, and doing cardio 4-5 times a week for 30-40 mins. I was thinking about running winny and Eq. I just don't want to lose my hair from the winny as I am prone. What is everyones opinion??? I understand that many of you wil feel I am too young, please don't lecture me, I am aware of the negative aspects of roids and am here for your advice. Any advice will be great. Thanks guys

[Billy_Bathgate]

Why not do just a Var cycle to help you while dieting, and then once your down to 10% or whatver your goal is then do an all out bulker.

[harddtime]

i started when i was 19, i don't think you too young [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] If i was in your position i would cut down to 10% like you said and then do a cycle. Losing weight first will keep you from getting stretch marks really bad when you end up gaining weight and you'll look better in the end. I would stay away from winny if your prone to balding, i'm prone too and that stuff makes hair fly off my head. Surprising nothing else does though.

I don't know if your doing morning cardio on an empty stomach, but if your not then you should. That'll get you to your goal much quicker, also did you ever consider rotating the nyc with some clen?

- harddtime

[slaplap]

Fo some reason I am never comfortable using fat burners. ECA and NYC are fine but things like clen.....T3....dnp....kind of scare me. I was contemplating using just var at 40mg's everyday, but wasn't sure it was worth it for the money. To run anavar at 40mg's for 8 weeks would cost me around $600....is it worth it???? Thanks guys

[archive_2ez2brich]

when are you doing your cardio ? what do you mean by a very clean diet ? i was able to drop BF%, by doing a keto diet, T50, early morning cardio, with no carbs after 4pm.

i don't think you are to young, but please use in moderation iron brother. would not want to read anything negative happening to ya.

2ez

[Hacker]

Anavar is well worth the money IMO.

I've always had awesome results from it.

[slaplap]

For the most part my diet looks like this

8:00 A.M- 50 gram protein shake, oatmeal
11:00 A.M (after gym)- 50 gram protein shake
1:00- Chicken breast or steak with salad/green veggies
3:00-more chicken or shake
6:00-high protein low carb meal
shake before bed.

I do my cardio at the gym. I take flax oil twice throughout the day never with carbs.

[slaplap]

hacker........what kind of anavar did you use??

[harddtime]

i hope for that price your getting BTG or SPA anavar

- harddtime

[archive_Dancer]

first I really dont understand the var bridge (which is basically your first cycle) , I mean come on you might as well do halo... var still "the bridge" on most of the boards (although I understand you want to do a stand alone cycle with it). my $.10 dbol should be "the bridge" but people still see something in using var. even on cycle, I think Decaman pointed out, you might as well do winny at 100-200mg ED cost and results would be better.


half life

var--- 9-10 hours
halo-- 9-10 hours

mg for mg halo kicks the shit out var in every way. they are both both 17aa... according to medline var mg for mg is more liver toxic than anadrol ( go do a search on UG long discussion couple of studies)... I am just missing the boat here why would any one F**k the cash on var...


in conclusion dont f*&k you cash on var. either do morning dbol at low dosages or go all out.

when life gives you lemons, put your foot up life's ass

[This message was edited by Dancer on 07-10-2002 at 12:55 PM.]

	ASS Nelson Montana

[SlicVic]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dancer:
first I really dont understand the var bridge (which is basically your first cycle) , I mean come on you might as well do halo... var still "the bridge" on most of the boards (although I understand you want to do a stand alone cycle with it). my $.10 dbol should be "the bridge" but people still see something in using var. even on cycle, I think Decaman pointed out, you might as well do winny at 100-200mg ED cost and results would be better.


half life

var--- 9-10 hours
halo-- 9-10 hours

mg for mg halo kicks the shit out var in every way. they are both both 17aa... according to medline var mg for mg is more liver toxic than anadrol ( go do a search on UG long discussion couple of studies)... I am just missing the boat here why would any one F**k the cash on var...


in conclusion dont f*&k you cash on var. either do morning dbol at low dosages or go all out.

when life gives you lemons, put your foot up life's ass

[This message was edited by Dancer on 07-10-2002 at 12:55 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Agreed. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img]

SlicVic@elitefitness.com

	ASS Nelson Montana

[archive_LuckyDog]

$600 is a decent amount of cash, especially for a 19 year
I say, just save your money, make sure your diet is perfect, and look into some serious morning cardio...i.e. Windsprints, etc. and cut back drastically on carbs using only trace carbs at night (past 6 or 7) and use the large amount of money you saved from cutting naturally and spend it towards more gear, supplements (protectors), and for blood tests during your bulking cycle, it only makes sense to me!!

But on another subject, Dancer I am planning on trying an experiement with var only and going to go against your statement: "I am just missing the boat here why would any one F**k the cash on var.."

and run BTG Ox at 50mg/day for 10 weeks but guess what??? It's only gonna cost me $120 US Dollars legally!!! Yes, that's correct 120 bucks...but I'm not telling anyone how so don't ask, nobody...all e-mails will promptly be printed out and used as toiletpaper. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] Later

LuckyDog

[archive_Dancer]

Here's how suppresive var is to natural test


http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/8/2705

'Total serum T concentrations were within normal physiological range on day 0 (449 ± 35 ng/dL) and day 3 (441 ± 44 ng/dL) of OX treatment. However, by day 5, total serum T concentrations were significantly reduced (282 ± 45 ng/dL; P &lt; 0.05) below day 0 and day 3 values (Fig. 3). Serum free T concentrations were within normal physiological range on days 0, 3, and 5. However, by day 5, serum free T concentrations were significantly reduced (98 ± 10 pg/mL; P &lt; 0.001) below day 0 (121 ± 12 pg/mL) and day 3 (126 ± 9 pg/mL) values. Hence, the total androgen concentration (T + OX) was reduced in parallel to the reduction in T (Fig. 3).'



when life gives you lemons, put your foot up life's ass

	ASS Nelson Montana