BJAARKI, you got me tripping on that Article, man!!!!

archive_PDOGGY · 07-09-2002, 08:37 AM

I suppose because I'm a doer and not a talker of shit, but those last half-dozen paragraphs are thought provoking.

Doing what works is one thing, but concerted examination is another. So my question is this:

Why do you guys take exogenous Insulin when you already know for a fact that it stunts lipolysis?

Do you guys who take insulin get hungry during that 4 hour period?

I'm just curious.

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One day we can stop trippin over how we sound and really trip on what we say. Then we can stop trippin on what we say and trip on what we mean. After that we can stop trippin altogether.

OUT!

archive_Bjaarki · 07-09-2002, 08:48 AM

Yes, the NY Times Magazine article I cited really is pretty interesting, isn't it? You're probably the only guy here who bothered to navigate to it and read it, though, PDoggy. I wish the other guys would ...

archive_Ulter · 07-09-2002, 08:52 AM

Hey Fellas, This is exactly what "Private Topic" is for.

archive_PDOGGY · 07-09-2002, 09:16 AM

Now.. I'm wondering to myself, about a lot of things.

My next question to anyone who cares would be:

Any of you guys who have tried Animalbolics..I know you have leaned out, but have you been able to use Animalbolics (properly) and steadily increase LBM?

I say this because I personally believe, as I stated in BJaarki's original post, that all you need food for is fuel and recovery. Thus, using Animalbolics, if you were able to get as many nutrients back into the body post-workout within say, a 4 hour period.. let me give you an example:

- I get up to train every morning at 5:20am.
- I train from 6-7am.
- I have my first post-workout meal at around 7:15. 100g Carbs and about 80g protein
- 2 hours later (9:15a) I have the same thing. (This puts me about about 160g protein, so I only need about 55 more grams of protein to meet my requirements)

If within 2 hours (11:15a) I can get those 55 grams of protein, what sense does it make for me to be eating anything else? I'm already fueled, right and primed for recovery, right? Plus, unless I'm a hedonist, I really don't need more food. (Remember, food is a tool, and that's really all there is too it, right?)

Feedback, please?

(These are random thoughts, that's all)

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One day we can stop trippin over how we sound and really trip on what we say. Then we can stop trippin on what we say and trip on what we mean. After that we can stop trippin altogether.

OUT!

archive_PDOGGY · 07-09-2002, 09:17 AM

N/M

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One day we can stop trippin over how we sound and really trip on what we say. Then we can stop trippin on what we say and trip on what we mean. After that we can stop trippin altogether.

OUT!

Trevdog · 07-10-2002, 12:33 AM

I actually did read the whole article. I thought it was very informative and it is about time someone put something like it together.

The medical community should hang its head after touting the low calorie/low fat diets for so many years in the face of so much evidence that they are ineffective. To add insult to injury they have always claimed, without any real empirical support, that low carb diets are unhealthy. Imagine how many people could have lived longer, healthier lives and/or avoided diabetes or obesity if they hadn't been such collective knuckleheads.

archive_ASTRAL FITNESS · 07-10-2002, 03:57 AM

the purpose of eating further would be to prevent depletion of circulating blood amino acid pools and maintain positive nitrogen balance in doing so.
every 4 hours blood amino acid pools drop off and nitrogen retention drops with it thus stripping aminos from muscle etc.

Stay Hungry, Train Hard, Live Large!
Astral Fitness
http://pub25.ezboard.com/bastralfitness

Q · 07-10-2002, 09:05 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PDOGGY:

_Why do you guys take exogenous Insulin when you already know for a fact that it stunts lipolysis?_

Do you guys who take insulin get hungry during that 4 hour period?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We take slin because it is cheap and very affective for gaining mass. Also their is a study in vitro showing that a small amout of PGF2a keeps insulin from storing fat in fat cells. So adding PGF2a (which I alwasys do now) helps keep you lean on slin. Besides that why not take slin on Animalbolics during your 4 hour eating phase (humalog).

Q

SOLID7 · 07-10-2002, 02:42 PM

where is the article I would like to read it.
thanks
SOLID

archive_Bjaarki · 07-10-2002, 03:00 PM

It was in the NY Times last Sunday, bro. This will link you.

http://www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/

mike man · 07-12-2002, 09:10 PM

Could you pm or email me? I need to get your opinion on some things. Thanks.

ultragainz · 07-12-2002, 09:54 PM

i want to be part of this to [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] send some pms my way too..also what is Animalblics(steroids,lol)?sorry just lost here

what are you going to do when ultragainz runs wild on you?!-
Hollywood ultragainz
-nWo-4Life

archive_ASTRAL FITNESS · 07-14-2002, 03:35 PM

animalbolics is a nutrition/eating (cyclical) guide for maximum muscle gains and fat loss over time. its in the search engine somewhere but more info can certainly be obtained here http://www.animalkits.be/

Stay Hungry, Train Hard, Live Large!
Astral Fitness
http://pub25.ezboard.com/bastralfitness

Q · 07-15-2002, 09:22 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mike man:
Could you pm or email me? I need to get your opinion on some things. Thanks.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you have a question drop me an email at:
qqqqqq@hushmail.com

Q

07-09-2002, 08:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
archive_PDOGGY Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 442 Rep Power: 6379	BJAARKI, you got me tripping on that Article, man!!!! I suppose because I'm a doer and not a talker of shit, but those last half-dozen paragraphs are thought provoking. Doing what works is one thing, but concerted examination is another. So my question is this: Why do you guys take exogenous Insulin when you already know for a fact that it stunts lipolysis? Do you guys who take insulin get hungry during that 4 hour period? I'm just curious. *********************** One day we can stop trippin over how we sound and really trip on what we say. Then we can stop trippin on what we say and trip on what we mean. After that we can stop trippin altogether. OUT!**

07-09-2002, 08:48 AM	#2 (permalink)
archive_Bjaarki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,673 Rep Power: 13546	Yes, the NY Times Magazine article I cited really is pretty interesting, isn't it? You're probably the only guy here who bothered to navigate to it and read it, though, PDoggy. I wish the other guys would ... __________________ First, say to yourself what you would become. Then, do what you have to do.

07-09-2002, 08:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21906	Hey Fellas, This is exactly what "Private Topic" is for. __________________

07-09-2002, 09:16 AM	#4 (permalink)
archive_PDOGGY Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 442 Rep Power: 6379	Thanks bro.. Now.. I'm wondering to myself, about a lot of things. My next question to anyone who cares would be: Any of you guys who have tried Animalbolics..I know you have leaned out, but have you been able to use Animalbolics (properly) and steadily increase LBM? I say this because I personally believe, as I stated in BJaarki's original post, that all you need food for is fuel and recovery. Thus, using Animalbolics, if you were able to get as many nutrients back into the body post-workout within say, a 4 hour period.. let me give you an example: - I get up to train every morning at 5:20am. - I train from 6-7am. - I have my first post-workout meal at around 7:15. 100g Carbs and about 80g protein - 2 hours later (9:15a) I have the same thing. (This puts me about about 160g protein, so I only need about 55 more grams of protein to meet my requirements) If within 2 hours (11:15a) I can get those 55 grams of protein, what sense does it make for me to be eating anything else? I'm already fueled, right and primed for recovery, right? Plus, unless I'm a hedonist, I really don't need more food. (Remember, food is a tool, and that's really all there is too it, right?) Feedback, please? (These are random thoughts, that's all) *********************** One day we can stop trippin over how we sound and really trip on what we say. Then we can stop trippin on what we say and trip on what we mean. After that we can stop trippin altogether. OUT!**

07-09-2002, 09:17 AM	#5 (permalink)
archive_PDOGGY Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 442 Rep Power: 6379	My bad Ulter.. N/M *********************** One day we can stop trippin over how we sound and really trip on what we say. Then we can stop trippin on what we say and trip on what we mean. After that we can stop trippin altogether. OUT!**

07-10-2002, 12:33 AM	#6 (permalink)
Trevdog Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 387 Rep Power: 6176	I actually did read the whole article. I thought it was very informative and it is about time someone put something like it together. The medical community should hang its head after touting the low calorie/low fat diets for so many years in the face of so much evidence that they are ineffective. To add insult to injury they have always claimed, without any real empirical support, that low carb diets are unhealthy. Imagine how many people could have lived longer, healthier lives and/or avoided diabetes or obesity if they hadn't been such collective knuckleheads.

07-10-2002, 03:57 AM	#7 (permalink)
archive_ASTRAL FITNESS Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 568 Rep Power: 6377	the purpose of eating further would be to prevent depletion of circulating blood amino acid pools and maintain positive nitrogen balance in doing so. every 4 hours blood amino acid pools drop off and nitrogen retention drops with it thus stripping aminos from muscle etc. Stay Hungry, Train Hard, Live Large! Astral Fitness http://pub25.ezboard.com/bastralfitness __________________ Stay Hungry, Train Hard, Live Large! Astral Fitness http://pub25.ezboard.com/bastralfitness

07-10-2002, 09:05 AM	#8 (permalink)
Q Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 333 Rep Power: 5196	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PDOGGY: _Why do you guys take exogenous Insulin when you already know for a fact that it stunts lipolysis?_ Do you guys who take insulin get hungry during that 4 hour period? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> We take slin because it is cheap and very affective for gaining mass. Also their is a study in vitro showing that a small amout of PGF2a keeps insulin from storing fat in fat cells. So adding PGF2a (which I alwasys do now) helps keep you lean on slin. Besides that why not take slin on Animalbolics during your 4 hour eating phase (humalog). Q __________________ Q

07-10-2002, 02:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
SOLID7 Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 58 Rep Power: 4875	where is the article I would like to read it. thanks SOLID

07-10-2002, 03:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
archive_Bjaarki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,673 Rep Power: 13546	It was in the NY Times last Sunday, bro. This will link you. http://www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/ __________________ First, say to yourself what you would become. Then, do what you have to do.

07-12-2002, 09:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
mike man Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 69 Rep Power: 5392	Q Could you pm or email me? I need to get your opinion on some things. Thanks.

07-12-2002, 09:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
ultragainz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 168 Rep Power: 5717	i want to be part of this to [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] send some pms my way too..also what is Animalblics(steroids,lol)?sorry just lost here what are you going to do when ultragainz runs wild on you?!- Hollywood ultragainz -nWo-4Life __________________ what are you going to do when ultragainz runs wild on you?!- Hollywood ultragainz -nWo-4Life

07-14-2002, 03:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
archive_ASTRAL FITNESS Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 568 Rep Power: 6377	animalbolics is a nutrition/eating (cyclical) guide for maximum muscle gains and fat loss over time. its in the search engine somewhere but more info can certainly be obtained here http://www.animalkits.be/ Stay Hungry, Train Hard, Live Large! Astral Fitness http://pub25.ezboard.com/bastralfitness __________________ Stay Hungry, Train Hard, Live Large! Astral Fitness http://pub25.ezboard.com/bastralfitness

07-15-2002, 09:22 AM	#14 (permalink)
Q Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 333 Rep Power: 5196	<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mike man: Could you pm or email me? I need to get your opinion on some things. Thanks.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> If you have a question drop me an email at: qqqqqq@hushmail.com Q __________________ Q

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