Relationship between occupation and gear use?

[archive_Bjaarki]

Brothers, I'm looking for any information you may have on the relationship between the kind of jobs people do, and whether or not they use gear, cutting drugs as well as anabolics. I'm really looking for prevalence rates. There are some obviously gear-friendly professions - pro athletes, competitive players in collision sports, models, bodybuilders, actors, etc ... as well as some not-so-obvious ones, like policemen, firefighters, EMS guys, physicians. I would like to see some quality, peer-reviewed research on this (if there is any, which I doubt), but I would settle for anything at this point - anecdotes, rumor, idle speculation, innuendo - and then I'll sort it out.

For instance, I know that most of the members of one of the local PD's are jacked to the max, so are a good many of the medical students I see, but I don't know the true prevalence of gear use among policemen or among docs. Do you? Anything you could post here or email me would be welcome.

Thank you very much, gentlemen.

Ulter, keep your cotton-pickin' fingers off those buttons!!!

Bjaarki

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[Monster]

Your experiance is rather common as far as the PD, so you should include police as one of the obvious ones for use.
In the state I used to live (and the city I was in and the one my training partner was in) almost all of the police under the age of 40 were using fairly regularly!
As physical fitness replaced the donut culture among police persons, I would think it is a natural progression.
As for peer evaluated research, I cant help you. All I can say is the guy I would buy from was a close friend and I would ride with him to drop off at various cops houses.
I guess all cops dont though, I mean... Ronnie Coleman is natural right?
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[archive_Ulter]

In Chicago, and that's all I can relate to, PD had a huge contingent of AS users. Especially in "bad" neighborhoods. The only friends I had though that used AS were Firemen and they said there were many. In both groups they were mostly the younger guys.

Now on the boards I talk to hundreds of AS users, obviously, and they cover a wide variety.
Degreed Professionals $60,000+ 30YO and up 25%
Entry Level postitions $28,000+ 22YO and up 30%
College Students -$50,000 30%
Atheletes Amature See Above 15%

[archive_Ulter]

What B means by that button thing is that earlier I put on my Decaman hat and deleted this post by mistake.
Decaman, It's really not as dumb a mistake as I thought. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

My experience says:

Age 25-35 are the most active in the game,
Professions range from Laborers to Partnered
Attorneys.. least likely in my world is the
middle age guys 39 and up.They think money
will keep their wives from roaming and buy new
arteries when needed.. Their wrong.

My self; middle aged Engineer/ Manager.

Doggy

[synwiz]

I would agree with Ulter. In my field(chemistry) not very many AAS users, at least from my POV. I was amazed at the misinformation that most of these chemistry Phd's had. I have corrected many of the chemists that I work with. They don't seem to even notice when I am using and not using, my BF% could have something to do with that. I have only been coomented towards that sometimes mmy attitude and temper changes, but nothing more according to my co-workers.

Wiz

[Billy_Bathgate]

In my college (mostly engineers) population of about 3000. I personally know of 3 including myself, and I suspect maybe 1 other. Also, the above 4 are the only ones that do squats or DL at the gym, and also are the only ones that Ive seen bench over 225. My school is an internatioal school though and is 60% foreign students.

Back home in Indiana. I know 3 cops that currently use steroids and 1 fire cheif who used to compete, and 1 conservation officer that currently competes. Our town is prob around 50-60,000 people.

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[quote]Originally posted by Bjaarki:
Brothers, I'm looking for any information you may have on the relationship between the kind of jobs people do, and whether or not they use gear, cutting drugs as well as anabolics. I'm really looking for prevalence rates. There are some obviously gear-friendly professions - pro athletes, competitive players in collision sports, models, bodybuilders, actors, etc ... as well as some not-so-obvious ones, like policemen, firefighters, EMS guys, physicians. I would like to see some quality, peer-reviewed research on this (if there is any, which I doubt), but I would settle for anything at this point - anecdotes, rumor, idle speculation, innuendo - and then I'll sort it out.
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[Decaman]

See, now i dont feel like such an ass, although i did do it more than once!



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[Beezers]

The two best, and biggest, bodybuilders at my particular gym are both cops. Both well juiced.

[Skaver]

Cops in my neck of the woods are more of the donut eating variety.

Jailguards on the other hand are some of the biggest guys at my gym.


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[coroner]

I honestly think that I am the only person in my profession/job(at this level) who does AAS.

I look around at my colleagues and 95% of them don't even go to the gym. Several of them run a lot- there's several die-hard guys & gals who run marathons, etc. There's also lots of guys & gals who ride a lot too. I'm definitely not saying that the people around me have low fitness levels, just that they probably don't juice. I read somewhere that there is a strong correlation between education level and fitness.

I could be totally wrong but then again I've openly asked around the department for someone, anyone, to come to the gym with me. I got no takers. Maybe they're scared of me or something. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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[archive_PDOGGY]

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[assboy]

I am in sales, no cop here....

Anabolic consumer.

[freshr1]

I'm 24, professional programmer, single. Started AAS use slightly over a year ago. I'm 215, ~9%bf, 3 cycles, currently off.

[WARLOC]

I personaly know atleast a dozen officers that juice. they are all correctional officers. shit with what they have to deal with,, i would juice too. wait i do juice, i wonder if they are hiring...

[Tronco]

I would tend to agree with the Police Officer observations, as well, but I would add that this trend of use doesnt seem to extend as strongly into federal law enforcement. In a previous career I would on a daily basis w/ agents from numerous federal law enforcement agencies and I can only recall one person who I believed was using, although many if not most were fairly physically active. Admittedly, though, these observations may be skewed somewhat b/c I only worked w/ older, more senior personnel.

[archive_Bjaarki]

Thanks for your posts, and for the emails that several of you sent. I'm not coming up with any "hard" prevalence rates of anabolic use in different occupational groups, much less prevalence rates for use of cutting drugs - everything is casual and anecdotal - but it's a start. Looks like police, security, and peripheral criminal justic people (INS, prison guards) is where a lot of use is concentrated. I am really amazed by the irony of that, but it makes sense. Much obliged for your help.

Would it be fair to say that the one common feature that unites occupational groups who use steroids is the perceived need to physically dominate or intimidate another man? That seems to be pretty constant across the groups most of you are mentioning. Few of you are mentioning firefighters, construction workers, heavy laborers - guys who need a lot of strength in order to just move objects, shift things around, dominate physical space, in short. Maybe there is some of that, but I'm not hearing much of it. Most of the occupational link to steroids seems to be about dominating or intimidating other men.

That doesn't tell the whole story, of course. Most of us use steroids to improve athletic performance, cosmetic appearance and, presumably, social opportunity and self-esteem. That doesn't seem to have much, if anything, to do with domination or intimidation. But domination/intimidation is where the sheerly occupational link seems to be.

The one group that I was surprised no one mentioned is sophisticated professionals who are used to setting and pursuing pretty extreme self-improvement goals, are sufficiently resourceful and relentless to do whatever it takes to reach those goals, and have a subjective sense of ease around drugs and medical paraphernalia. Docs, in short. EMS people. Folks like that. I'm pretty sure that a lot of the younger medical residents I see these days are on gear, because they have all those qualities I just mentioned. So I was surprised that no one mentioned them.

But that's okay. You gave me what you had. Thanks again.

Bjaark

[tidefan00]

I was a firemedic for about 5 years. I had actually already begun AS prior to that, but several in my station were juiced. There was a very competetive atmosphere in the firehouse, and it was even worse during PT. Also, many of the local cops would come by the station to eat and train with us, and I KNOW a few of them were juiced as well. Hell one of the cops would pop pink Thai's during dinner thinking we couldnt possibly have a clue what it was....little did he know.

If you had to walk into burning buildings carrying 40-60 pounds of extra weight, or if you had to face down PCP'd out thugs in a dark alley, wouldnt you want to be physically superior? Hell yeah you would.....

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[archive_LuckyDog]

Bjaarki, I know this is a no-brainer but speaking for a collegiate athlete's viewpoint (football), I know that there are 4-5 guys on my team using gear right now but of course there will be...first off it's summer which is when all smart players do it and second off, they do it b/c of what you quoted about improving athletic performance but also in the same sense becasue of the "perceived need to physically dominate or intimidate another man" on the field...which is one and the same. I will let you know, that when we won the NAIA National Championship before we switched to NCAA, there were a hell of a lot more guys using (roughly 8 out of 11 starters) and a lot more All-Americans [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] But once again...a no brainer. Take Care

LuckyDog

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