Ephedrine/caffeine VS amphetamine

Slowmo21 · 03-14-2002, 04:02 PM

Which would be worse to take, in terms of catabolizing muscle and other health issues: 100mg ephedrine with 600mg caffeine OR 100mg amphetamine? The first one is obviously a high dose of EC and the second a low dose of speed.

archive_Caligula · 03-14-2002, 04:33 PM

I don't know much about amphetamines even though I have a prescription for one. (adderall)

I do know this though. They are very addictive and should be taken with utmost care. They will burn weight off you like no ones business...and I say weight because since you will have no appetite whatsoever you probably won't be able to maintain much muscle.

FS seems to be the amphetamine guru so I would wait for his response.

"That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger"

Curious

archive_Bjaarki · 03-14-2002, 04:47 PM

Oh great. Let's talk about taking speed ...

charlie brown · 03-14-2002, 05:28 PM

http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/2...232#2470917232

Genetics is not an excuse.
ERTW!

coroner · 03-14-2002, 08:05 PM

Please don't take amphetamines unless you are under direct medical supervision (as in Caligula's case). Please don't. That's all I have to say.

__________________
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My Ultimate goal: to become so big that I occupy the entire universe!!!!

Fukkenshredded · 03-14-2002, 08:25 PM

Amphetamines are generally bigger than we are. I agree with Coroner here. I don't really believe that the psyche that requires amphetamines to assist in dieting is capable of handling the addiction. Crystal truly sucks. Most of you on this board know that I do a wide array of drugs, still, and I realize that this is frowned upon. However, I think we can all agree that there are some drugs that really have no positive effects at all. Among them are crack, crystal meth and PCP. I have tried several times to 'look at the problem logically', so to speak...when I was addicted. (I was never addicted to PCP, in fact, I only did it once.) I can tell you from a qualified perspective that you have a one hundred percent chance of losing everything you have right now if you start up on crack or crystal meth. It only takes once with these drugs, if you get the real deal. So let me reiterate my position on this: STAY AWAY FROM METH AND CRACK. THEY WILL DESTROY YOU.

Swollen · 03-14-2002, 09:41 PM

YOu dont want to be a crack back do ya?! You always see those fuckers on the bus talking to themselves. And...I swear to god...they are always wearing clothes covered in paint! If you live out here in California, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Big is impressive
Aesthetic is inspiring

archive_Dancer · 03-14-2002, 10:16 PM

Even DNP would be much more productive...

FS hit right, you'll lose everything/everyone/ and your mind will be so gone that you wont even remain the same person...

?!?!?!?!?!?

archive_macrophage69alpha · 03-15-2002, 02:34 AM

true amphetamines (not crystal) are rather catabolic and usually quite hard on the CNS. Not that they may not have their place but they are a poor choice for maintaining mass while dieting/cutting.. though they do tend to annihilate your appetite (it varies)

MP

Slowmo21 · 03-15-2002, 05:47 AM

Thanks Macro. That's the kind of answer I was looking for. Yes, I know about addiction etc, was just wondering how it compares to a high dose of ephedrine/caffeine. Is EC as catabolic as amphetamine, when the dose is high enough?

archive_Mr. Nobody · 03-15-2002, 06:00 AM

I always thought EC has muscle sparing effects?

I dont understand the fascination with amphetamines, if I were a rec drug addict, I'd go for the downers, I love to relax.....got enuf stress in my life, heheh

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise.

bkrquads · 03-15-2002, 07:28 AM

I was just recently precribed adderall for continuing ADHD from my childhood. I know it has pretty much killed my appetite as far as that goes, though I do pretty good at force feeding myself. Since adderall is amphetamine salts, is it catabolic to muscle tissue? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]

GymRatNYC · 03-15-2002, 07:49 AM

Same thing. STAY AWAY... FAR AWAY.

bkrquads · 03-15-2002, 07:55 AM

Ok, now I am in a huge dilema. Its either bodybuilding or doing well in school, and I have to choose school. Right now I am not too worried since I am 3 weeks into my cycle. I can force feed myself. That will take me to the end of the school year. After that I guess I can make decisions from there.

GymRat - - - nice sig! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

03-14-2002, 04:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
Slowmo21 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 137 Rep Power: 5602	Ephedrine/caffeine VS amphetamine Which would be worse to take, in terms of catabolizing muscle and other health issues: 100mg ephedrine with 600mg caffeine OR 100mg amphetamine? The first one is obviously a high dose of EC and the second a low dose of speed.

03-14-2002, 04:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
archive_Caligula Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,123 Rep Power: 9088	I don't know much about amphetamines even though I have a prescription for one. (adderall) I do know this though. They are very addictive and should be taken with utmost care. They will burn weight off you like no ones business...and I say weight because since you will have no appetite whatsoever you probably won't be able to maintain much muscle. FS seems to be the amphetamine guru so I would wait for his response. "That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger" Curious __________________ &quot;A mind is a terrible thing to waste...that&apos;s why Bush doesn&apos;t have one.&quot; &quot;The Harder you work, the harder it is to surrender&quot; Curious

03-14-2002, 04:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
archive_Bjaarki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,673 Rep Power: 13546	Oh great. Let's talk about taking speed ... __________________ First, say to yourself what you would become. Then, do what you have to do.

03-14-2002, 05:28 PM	#4 (permalink)
charlie brown Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 278 Rep Power: 6085	http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/2...232#2470917232 Genetics is not an excuse. ERTW! __________________ ERTW!

03-14-2002, 08:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
coroner Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 574 Rep Power: 6149	Please don't take amphetamines unless you are under direct medical supervision (as in Caligula's case). Please don't. That's all I have to say. __________________ Night will come, and I will follow My Ultimate goal: to become so big that I occupy the entire universe!!!! __________________ __________________ Night will come, and I will follow My Ultimate goal: to become so big that I occupy the entire universe!!!!

03-14-2002, 08:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
Fukkenshredded Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,036 Rep Power: 13713	Amphetamines are generally bigger than we are. I agree with Coroner here. I don't really believe that the psyche that requires amphetamines to assist in dieting is capable of handling the addiction. Crystal truly sucks. Most of you on this board know that I do a wide array of drugs, still, and I realize that this is frowned upon. However, I think we can all agree that there are some drugs that really have no positive effects at all. Among them are crack, crystal meth and PCP. I have tried several times to 'look at the problem logically', so to speak...when I was addicted. (I was never addicted to PCP, in fact, I only did it once.) I can tell you from a qualified perspective that you have a one hundred percent chance of losing everything you have right now if you start up on crack or crystal meth. It only takes once with these drugs, if you get the real deal. So let me reiterate my position on this: STAY AWAY FROM METH AND CRACK. THEY WILL DESTROY YOU.

03-14-2002, 09:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
Swollen Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 533 Rep Power: 6302	YOu dont want to be a crack back do ya?! You always see those fuckers on the bus talking to themselves. And...I swear to god...they are always wearing clothes covered in paint! If you live out here in California, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Big is impressive Aesthetic is inspiring __________________ Big is impressive, Aesthetic is inspiring

03-14-2002, 10:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
archive_Dancer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,060 Rep Power: 6489	Even DNP would be much more productive... FS hit right, you'll lose everything/everyone/ and your mind will be so gone that you wont even remain the same person... ?!?!?!?!?!? __________________ &quot;All I have in this world are my balls and my word, and I dont break them for no one&quot; -Scarface

03-15-2002, 02:34 AM	#9 (permalink)
archive_macrophage69alpha Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,101 Rep Power: 7020	true amphetamines (not crystal) are rather catabolic and usually quite hard on the CNS. Not that they may not have their place but they are a poor choice for maintaining mass while dieting/cutting.. though they do tend to annihilate your appetite (it varies) MP __________________ MP

03-15-2002, 05:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
Slowmo21 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 137 Rep Power: 5602	Thanks Macro. That's the kind of answer I was looking for. Yes, I know about addiction etc, was just wondering how it compares to a high dose of ephedrine/caffeine. Is EC as catabolic as amphetamine, when the dose is high enough?

03-15-2002, 06:00 AM	#11 (permalink)
archive_Mr. Nobody Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 11939	I always thought EC has muscle sparing effects? I dont understand the fascination with amphetamines, if I were a rec drug addict, I'd go for the downers, I love to relax.....got enuf stress in my life, heheh Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise.

03-15-2002, 07:28 AM	#12 (permalink)
bkrquads Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 109 Rep Power: 5620	What about adderall? I was just recently precribed adderall for continuing ADHD from my childhood. I know it has pretty much killed my appetite as far as that goes, though I do pretty good at force feeding myself. Since adderall is amphetamine salts, is it catabolic to muscle tissue? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]

03-15-2002, 07:49 AM	#13 (permalink)
GymRatNYC Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 1,444 Rep Power: 7409	Same thing. STAY AWAY... FAR AWAY. __________________

03-15-2002, 07:55 AM	#14 (permalink)
bkrquads Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 109 Rep Power: 5620	NOOOOOOOOOO Ok, now I am in a huge dilema. Its either bodybuilding or doing well in school, and I have to choose school. Right now I am not too worried since I am 3 weeks into my cycle. I can force feed myself. That will take me to the end of the school year. After that I guess I can make decisions from there. GymRat - - - nice sig! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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