HPTA Recovery

[Skaver]

I've been on for approx 22 weeks as I've been preparing for my first competetion. I started with 75mg fina EOD and 50mg winny ED for 13 weeks. At week 14 I decided to switch to 500mg test, 450mg deca and 1mg arimidex eod to help gain a little faster. Gains have been great, feeling better than I ever have but for personal reasons that I can't get into I will probably have to cut this shorter than expected and drop out of competetion.

Now the problem is I'm worried about natural test production recovery and retaining gains. Gonads are still full, they never atrophy during my cycles so h c g isn't required. My recovery plan was to switch to a fast acting ester (fina) for 5 weeks to let the deca clear my system(which will bring the total cycle length to 7 months). Then run clomid and arimidex for 8 weeks, with 10mg dbol in the am for the first 4 weeks.

From what I've read, this should bring me back to normal levels within 8-12 weeks. Is there anything else that I can do to speed recovery and retain maximum gains? What about dosages of clomid and arimidex, is there any pattern that's proven to work better?


** Magnus Validus Formosus **

[archive_Ulter]

That's good plan. I don't think you should skip the H C G though after being on for so long. I would say to use 1000iu/day for a couple weeks with your end of cycle tren.

[hooker]

Clomid is taken in a descending dosage, i.e. 3 50 mg tabs/day for a week, 2/day for a week, 1/day for a week..or until natural levels are restored. If you have gyno problems, add in Nolvadex (10 mg/day), and a smidge of *** can't hurt. I tend to use all of this stuff at different times during as well as after a cycle.

[archive_Mr. Nobody]

I never terminate my cycles with long acting stuff but switch to short acting test prior to finish; I also do H C G every 3 weeks
no calorie restriction, but no pigging out either
no cardio

always 80-100g protein and 80-100g maltodextrin shake with 5g of Vitamin C post workout, even when off slin (cortisol protection)
DHEA: 150mg am and pm (for cortisol management) for 6 weeks post
Arimidex: 1mg ed for 6 weeks post
Clomid: 300, 100, 50, 50
Bromocriptine, 1.25 ed (week 1), 1.25 ed (week 2), 2.5 ed (week 3,4), 1.25ed (week 5)
Deprenyl: 5mg eod week 6 and 7 only
Insulin/creatine for 6 weeks (most importantly): 20 iu ed for 4 weeks followed by 10iu for 2 weeks
EPO: after 6 weeks being off, for 2 weeks at 1000 iu ed x 10 days
Xanax: 1.25-0.625mg as needed for sleep,
Melatonin: 3mg ed for sleep
Zinc: 100mg ed for at least 8 weeks
Magnesium: 800mg ed for at least 8 weeks
Vit B6: 100mg ed for at least 8 weeks

After this routine, I quit all drugs and continue with zinc/magnesium/b6 therapy, powerlift routine as in short, basic and heavy. Then I decide how much longer I'd like to stay off or go to morning dbol

You may want to expand your duration and/or start with H C G, but this programs as complicated as it looks has worked for me.

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[Skaver]

Ulter: Your suggestion to use H C G confuses me, I was led to believe that because of the negative side effects related to the estrogen spike it should only be used if your boyz are really shrunk. I read somewhere (I believe an article by A) that it's actually counterproductive to use. Am I(he) wrong about this?

Mr. Nobody: I've seen your posts on recovery before, has it successfully worked for you for recovery from a long cycle? I've successfully recovered from all my previous cycles but they've all been much shorter. If I have to cut this cycle short now I want to make sure I don't crash.


** Magnus Validus Formosus **

[archive_Mr. Nobody]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Skaver:
Mr. Nobody: I've seen your posts on recovery before, has it successfully worked for you for recovery from a long cycle? I've successfully recovered from all my previous cycles but they've all been much shorter. If I have to cut this cycle short now I want to make sure I don't crash.


_**_ _Magnus Validus Formosus_ _**_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That I can't tell you, because I religously cycle only 8 weeks max ever. But if it does not work you can always go back to H C G and start the program over

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[archive_Mr. Nobody]

Some people are still confused about H C G:

H C G mimics LH, a signal to your testicles to produce testosterone. The testicles are only one part of the HPTA, the other ones are the Hypothalamus and Pituitary. But if sacks have atrophied (very long cycles) LH will take a while to wake them up and that is easier done with H C G.

If you are full of androgen the feedback from AAS will prevent any endo test production, but H C G will keep your testicles used to the signals (if not overdone). Clomid, when on androgen, will be ignored from the beginning, cause it only blocks the estro feedback signals, but not the test feedback signals to the HP.

Clomid makes the HP produce LH by itself, therefore it represents a more complete recovery and should be done after H C G. After clomid cessation, the body sometimes still refuses to produce LH on its own, than you got to wait and use nootropics (improves brain function) It tackles the problem from the very root.
Or start from scratch again with H C G, clomid, nootropics....after a wash out period.


So you see recovery is a lengthy process, you start at the bottom, the first link and work your way up the chain of command. If you were to start with nootropics after long cycles, the rest of your HPTA would still be "asleep" and ignore your efforts.

That is my most simplistic view of the whole recovery thing, hope it helps.


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Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise.

[This message was edited by Mr. Nobody on 03-15-2002 at 11:52 AM.]