At what point is it to much .

Luca Brasi · 10-06-2008, 08:54 PM

Started my Var 2 weeks ago at 100mg a day and it has been going well so far ,BUT i am looking to double that dose again and go to 200mg a day ( have all my powder capped into 100mg increments. Which brings me to my question. At what dose am i pushing it too far and just wasteing powder, also is there any potential sides that may not ordinarily be an issue but may arise at such high doses ?

Luca

AT_R · 10-06-2008, 09:21 PM

Dunno the brand of your var, but 200 MG per day seems a little wasteful.

I've always been of the opinion that it's better to run var as long as possible as opposed to super high doses of it.

Luca Brasi · 10-06-2008, 09:30 PM

This will be getting run long duration , not just some 4-8 weeks cycle.
Anyone here actually run it this high or close to ? As for the wasteful nature of those high doses .... thats why i wanted someone like Ulter to comment on at what point there is little to no further positive benefit to be gained by going higher.

AT_R · 10-06-2008, 09:32 PM

All compounds have a point of diminishing returns and increased sides when used in excess.

Guess you'll have to be the judge on this one.

ricorico · 10-06-2008, 09:36 PM

i would have to believe that 200mg ed is too much, 100mg is high. I tried tbol at 150mgs ed and got some serious stomach issues. I wouldnt go higher then 120mgs ed

HAYEZ · 10-06-2008, 09:49 PM

you plan to get cholesterol checked during that run?

Ulter · 10-06-2008, 10:03 PM

I wouldn't go over 100mg/day. I think above that is the point of diminishing returns.

ricorico · 10-06-2008, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HAYEZ

you plan to get cholesterol checked during that run?

no reason to get checked while on orals, youll just freak yourself out. Itll give you a super high reading, which normalizes shortly after discontinuing.

itsallgenetics · 10-06-2008, 10:11 PM

my first thought.... is how do you have the $$$ to run var at 200mgs a day!

East Coast Lifter · 10-06-2008, 10:11 PM

The law of diminish returns will kick in,

You also need test in every cycle,

So test, one anabolic, and an oral and maybe tren is pretty basic,

You can take anavar with test and take less anavar and get better results

: bunny:

Krishna · 10-06-2008, 11:52 PM

How do you plan to keep your cholesterol in check?

NWMUSCLE · 10-07-2008, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulter

I wouldn't go over 100mg/day. I think above that is the point of diminishing returns.

I agree this is that point bro.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricorico

no reason to get checked while on orals, youll just freak yourself out. Itll give you a super high reading, which normalizes shortly after discontinuing.

This is also true, ESP with Var............

Luca Brasi · 10-07-2008, 03:53 AM

Looks like i'll leave at the 100 a day that it has been at for the last 2 weeks . Thanks for the responses. As for the expense , being able to get hold of powder 10g's at a time is the only way i can afford it . Will get off my ass and get a log together for this cycle as well. Will run this at 100mg a day right through til the end of the year , and then change it up from there.

nzrodney · 10-07-2008, 05:19 AM

The recommended dose is only 0.125 mg/pound of body weight ED. Long term there is only liver toxity to consider like most orals & gastrointestinal problems may occur in larger doses, so although its normally taken 2-3 times a day after food, some get over this by taking 2 hrs after food is consumed, but if you are like most BBers, that window is too long because you are ready to eat again LOL Bang for buck its a poor option IMO. Are you just planning on cruising for a few months between cycles?

BOZWELL · 10-07-2008, 10:07 AM

i say go for it , if you dont like what happens or dont get the gains youre after just stop
nothing ventured, nothing gained

JayC · 10-07-2008, 11:54 AM

Bro I wouldn't run var over 100-120mg/daily, MAX! I've personally seen excellent results on as low as 40mg/daily so alot is dependent on the quality of the var and the person using it. As stated somewhere above, I also think var is better run at lower doses for long periodsl.. Good luck and keep us posted on the cycle!

Fawkes · 10-08-2008, 01:51 AM

I would like to have you do it and tell us what happens. I doubt anything. Overkill is the name of the game for the past 10 years - you probably do just as well on 20 mg day and a base of test as on 200 mg day. I doubt you will be able to post up any significant changes

vea · 10-08-2008, 07:16 AM

What do you guys recommend? I got 175x10mg turanabol. Thinking about going with 5 weeks @ 50mg ED, but I'm leaning a bit towards going for 4 weeks @ 60mg ED instead.

What will be the most taxing for the liver, and what will produce the most gains?

10-06-2008, 08:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
Luca Brasi Gold Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: US , Canada ? anyone want to adopt an aussie ? Posts: 636 Rep Power: 55881	At what point is it to much . Started my Var 2 weeks ago at 100mg a day and it has been going well so far ,BUT i am looking to double that dose again and go to 200mg a day ( have all my powder capped into 100mg increments. Which brings me to my question. At what dose am i pushing it too far and just wasteing powder, also is there any potential sides that may not ordinarily be an issue but may arise at such high doses ? Luca

10-06-2008, 09:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
ricorico Gold Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,019 Rep Power: 164660	i would have to believe that 200mg ed is too much, 100mg is high. I tried tbol at 150mgs ed and got some serious stomach issues. I wouldnt go higher then 120mgs ed __________________ i poop on clen, EQ and nolvadex. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9364247 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7522547

10-06-2008, 10:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ulter Chairman of the board Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Orlando Posts: 27,448 Rep Power: 273435	I wouldn't go over 100mg/day. I think above that is the point of diminishing returns. __________________ > . . When you register at www.theafstore.com make sure you register as an AF Board Member to get the discounted pricing.

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itsallgenetics AF's # 1 Fist Pumper Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,432 Rep Power: 247963	my first thought.... is how do you have the $$$ to run var at 200mgs a day! __________________ My legs are weary but I still walk My hands are sown and broken but I still clutch My love is changing but I still love My cup is empty but I still pour

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BOZWELL Snorting halo! Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,037 Rep Power: 13123	i say go for it , if you dont like what happens or dont get the gains youre after just stop nothing ventured, nothing gained __________________ LIVE IN PEACE TRAIN FOR WAR...

10-06-2008, 09:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
AT_R AF Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 34 Rep Power: 2867	Dunno the brand of your var, but 200 MG per day seems a little wasteful. I've always been of the opinion that it's better to run var as long as possible as opposed to super high doses of it.

10-06-2008, 09:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
Luca Brasi Gold Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: US , Canada ? anyone want to adopt an aussie ? Posts: 636 Rep Power: 55881	This will be getting run long duration , not just some 4-8 weeks cycle. Anyone here actually run it this high or close to ? As for the wasteful nature of those high doses .... thats why i wanted someone like Ulter to comment on at what point there is little to no further positive benefit to be gained by going higher.

10-06-2008, 09:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
AT_R AF Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 34 Rep Power: 2867	All compounds have a point of diminishing returns and increased sides when used in excess. Guess you'll have to be the judge on this one.

10-06-2008, 09:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
HAYEZ Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NORTH CUBA Posts: 399 Rep Power: 44123	you plan to get cholesterol checked during that run?

10-06-2008, 10:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
East Coast Lifter Boston, MA Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Concord, Ma Posts: 459 Rep Power: 26558	The law of diminish returns will kick in, You also need test in every cycle, So test, one anabolic, and an oral and maybe tren is pretty basic, You can take anavar with test and take less anavar and get better results : bunny:

10-06-2008, 11:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
Krishna Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 425 Rep Power: 12446	How do you plan to keep your cholesterol in check?

10-07-2008, 05:19 AM	#14 (permalink)
nzrodney AF Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 80 Rep Power: 14100	The recommended dose is only 0.125 mg/pound of body weight ED. Long term there is only liver toxity to consider like most orals & gastrointestinal problems may occur in larger doses, so although its normally taken 2-3 times a day after food, some get over this by taking 2 hrs after food is consumed, but if you are like most BBers, that window is too long because you are ready to eat again LOL Bang for buck its a poor option IMO. Are you just planning on cruising for a few months between cycles?

10-07-2008, 11:54 AM	#16 (permalink)
JayC Gold Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,503 Rep Power: 54876	Bro I wouldn't run var over 100-120mg/daily, MAX! I've personally seen excellent results on as low as 40mg/daily so alot is dependent on the quality of the var and the person using it. As stated somewhere above, I also think var is better run at lower doses for long periodsl.. Good luck and keep us posted on the cycle! __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by Halfway spend a year notching your bedpost, getting mad jacked swole and making bank.

10-08-2008, 01:51 AM	#17 (permalink)
Fawkes Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 761 Rep Power: 0	I would like to have you do it and tell us what happens. I doubt anything. Overkill is the name of the game for the past 10 years - you probably do just as well on 20 mg day and a base of test as on 200 mg day. I doubt you will be able to post up any significant changes

10-08-2008, 07:16 AM	#18 (permalink)
vea AF Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 28 Rep Power: 2018	What do you guys recommend? I got 175x10mg turanabol. Thinking about going with 5 weeks @ 50mg ED, but I'm leaning a bit towards going for 4 weeks @ 60mg ED instead. What will be the most taxing for the liver, and what will produce the most gains?