1st cycle, need input

[superninja23]

Hello all,

After a year and a half of research I'll be honest - I'm still having trouble filtering through all of the contradicting information and so called "experts" claiming which steroids are ideal for a first cycle and whatnot. I have, however, devised a cycle that I would love to hear some input on. This would be my first cycle. I'm 24 years old, 175 pounds, and around 9% body fat at 5'10". I've been training since I was 17 - I'll admit that I'm certainly not a fitness guru, but I definitely know my way around the gym. My diet is good - lots of complex carbs, varied protein sources, and a healthy dose of good fats. I understand that I'm still considered a little young, but bear with me!

10 week cycle:
Weeks 1-10 200 mg Primobolan weekly
Weeks 1-7 20 mg Anavar daily

Both dosages are kept low to minimize side-effects. Although both dosages are mild, I would expect a stack like this to still yield impressive results. I would like to know what your opinions are on this cycle. Oh and just to clarify, it's 7 weeks on the Anavar because that's how much I would theoretically have at my disposal.

I would also like some PCT input. Neither compound aromatizes, and suppression should be minimal if at all at these doses. Would a natural PCT approach such as 6bromo or ATD (6oxo, Nolvedex XT, pick your flavor, etc...) be even worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as PCT when in comes to these compounds? I'd like your input on this as well.

Thanks in advance for the input, guys. I look forward to reading your responses.

	PCT Post Cycle Therapy is used to recover one's natural testosterone production after using steroids.

[HAYEZ]

the doses are very low...to low to really see any real gains
hcg should always be used before pct
pct always include nolva or clomid as the base...if you want to use a otc supplement feel free but dont depend on it for recovery

	PCT Post Cycle Therapy is used to recover one's natural testosterone production after using steroids.

[booey]

Weeks 1-12: Test Enanthate 500mg
Run 1-2 sprays ED of AIFM throughout
PCT of clomid and hcg

	AIFM AI For Men uses ATD, a natural steroidal aromatase inhibitor comparable to Aromasin in results.

	PCT Post Cycle Therapy is used to recover one's natural testosterone production after using steroids.

[ricorico]

Originally Posted by booey

Weeks 1-12: Test Enanthate 500mg
Run 1-2 sprays ED of AIFM throughout
PCT of clomid and hcg

ditto

your projected primo/var cycle is the amount i would take in like 2 week spread out over a full cycle....it woudl be a waste and a dissapointment


somthing like booey said or along these lines
Test 500mg 1-10
and maybe dbol 30mg 1-5

	AIFM AI For Men uses ATD, a natural steroidal aromatase inhibitor comparable to Aromasin in results.

[aahepp]

Well what are you trying to accomplish with your first cycle. I really doubt cut since your height and weight you are already on the thin side, so the items you have recommended would not be for a person trying to put on mass, but to cut their mass. Give us an idea on what you are trying to get out of this and then the ideas will flow.

As Booey stated that cycle is a good beginner cycle to see how your body reacts to just increasing test levels. You could then create a stack with some dbol, test, and deca, as a later.
PCT would be Clomid. I myself never really used HCG so I wouldn't be able to say yes or no if it is needed. AIFM as stated during cycle and PCT.

	AIFM AI For Men uses ATD, a natural steroidal aromatase inhibitor comparable to Aromasin in results.

	PCT Post Cycle Therapy is used to recover one's natural testosterone production after using steroids.

[TrenAman]

10 week cycle:
Weeks 1-10 200 mg Primobolan weekly
Weeks 1-7 20 mg Anavar daily

I do not think you will see any results withthis cycle. WHat is already posted is the best route to take IMO.

[ricorico]

A primo/ var cycle that would yeild results would look like this

primo 800mg 1-12
anavar 60-100mg 1-6

[makavelli]

Originally Posted by ricorico

A primo/ var cycle that would yeild results would look like this

primo 800mg 1-12
anavar 60-100mg 1-6

Yeah I would go with this, however for a first cycle I would do test and EQ. Or if you want to use var you can do test and var. But the cycle that you proposed is too low for any good gains.

[NURSEPIMP]

The caveman's looks good.

At least have the base of that cycle be test.

If you cant get the EQ for Mak maybe try 400mg week of Decca..

[NURSEPIMP]

Originally Posted by makavelli

Yeah I would go with this, however for a first cycle I would do test and EQ. Or if you want to use var you can do test and var. But the cycle that you proposed is too low for any good gains.

Mak, what would you suggest he run the EQ dose around? I would think with EQ to match that low dose of test.

Or maybe do 750mg week test and 600mg week of EQ.

[Ulter]

I know that cycle. It's a Nelson cycle. It's a total waste of your time and money. As posted, you're much better off with 500mg Test. Use an AI like AIFM. Nolva XT or whatever it's called is oral. The active in it has a half life of 11 minutes. It's useless to eat it.
Read the Post Cycle Recovery statement linked at the top of the board.

	AIFM AI For Men uses ATD, a natural steroidal aromatase inhibitor comparable to Aromasin in results.

[Mrpumped]

Not to dog you out but where have you been doing your research? A first cycle should always be a Test only cycle with maybe and oral for a kick start like d-bol.

Test E or C 500mg-1000mg for 12 weeks
Maybe D-bol for a kick start at 30-50mg/ed for 4 weeks
AIFM or Aromasin for an AI

PCT- 1000iu of hcg for 5 days
50mg Clomid following the HCG for 2-3 weeks along with your AI

	AIFM AI For Men uses ATD, a natural steroidal aromatase inhibitor comparable to Aromasin in results.

	PCT Post Cycle Therapy is used to recover one's natural testosterone production after using steroids.

[miplank]

Originally Posted by Ulter

I know that cycle. It's a Nelson cycle. It's a total waste of your time and money. As posted, you're much better off with 500mg Test. Use an AI like AIFM. Nolva XT or whatever it's called is oral. The active in it has a half life of 11 minutes. It's useless to eat it.
Read the Post Cycle Recovery statement linked at the top of the board.

But Nelson says NO to a test only cycle. LOL...j/k

	AIFM AI For Men uses ATD, a natural steroidal aromatase inhibitor comparable to Aromasin in results.

[TrenAman]

Originally Posted by Mrpumped

Not to dog you out but where have you been doing your researc