What do you consider as a high dosage of test? - Page 2

JoeD · 07-05-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Curious George

For myself, I like 200 a week. I seem to respond well though.

I think 2000 is excessive, but what the hell do I know at 200 a week?

what are your stats?

xtinct · 07-05-2008, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by solidspine

Xtinct weren’t you up there about a year ago, 5-6 grams a week?

Yes, I was on something between 5000-6000mg but that was really more of an experiment than a cycle that I want to repeat anytime soon. Right now I am on 2000mg. That's a good dose for me but I consider that an exception. When people ask me what dose to use I usually say 1000mg.

xtinct · 07-05-2008, 09:33 PM

Nate, when you add up SS's doses it comes out to 2,650mg/wk. That's definitely high but not "phucking insane" as you put it. I am about to run 2700mg WK (3400mg if I had been able to get anavar) and while it's not a cycle I would recommend to anyone else, I don't see anything insane about it.

J. Adams · 07-05-2008, 10:46 PM

It is for a guy thats NOT an athlete/competitor.

I'm sorry, but any way you slice it he's using excessive doses.

jbonez19 · 07-05-2008, 11:19 PM

i would question whether anything over 1250/week is going to give you proportional returns. surely there comes a point where your body is just not able to "use" that much. going over that point doesn't make sense to me. i really don't have an idea where that point is, so i definitely don't agree with calling people's protocols INSANE. that's not what we're about here is it? also if that horse guy was the "horse" from AR, it's brightened my day to see him banned. the guy is a real asshole, so good riddance dickhead. good work BMJ, great thread too. let's keep the judgemental attitudes to a minimum can we guys. unless you've used those dosages yourself, how can you say they're insane? i do have a suggestion for a name for the 16 - 1800 dose though. how about, the "where did my balls go?" dose. i also think the "big boy dose" should be renamed "little boy dose" for the same reason. KIDDING!!

KKAZ · 07-05-2008, 11:21 PM

Of course its all relative to the individual. Their history of usage and whatever works for them.
Right now a high dossage of test for me is anything over a gram.
Ive got some PL buddies who swear they are gaining on a measley 2oo per week.
Different strokes for different folks.
I want to be lifting and getting better for a long long time to come.So, i personally have to take into consideration the risk/ benefit factor. In other words,the most i can tolerate without creating unwanted future sides.

xtinct · 07-06-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jbonez19

i would question whether anything over 1250/week is going to give you proportional returns. surely there comes a point where your body is just not able to "use" that much.

Proportional...No. But I know I look better on 2000mg than on 1000mg. If I had a huge increase in sides going from 1 to 2g I would probably not consider it worth it but I have no more sides on 2g vs. 1g, so why not take advantage of the benefits of the higher dose?

lesarin · 07-06-2008, 12:33 AM

no offense to solidspine, but he is my dads age and i couldnt in a million years seeing my dad run all that shit.

If im still alive at his age i would run that too, i dont want to live past 65 anyways.

why not go balls to the wall?

also considering he is married and has alot of kids. this anti-social nutcase will never understand you normal people.

Curious George · 07-06-2008, 12:45 AM

JoeD,

I'm a little fella. 5ft5 maybe 195 or so. Nothing special.

bgriff · 07-06-2008, 01:45 AM

Im in the 2k club

jbonez19 · 07-06-2008, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by xtinct

Proportional...No. But I know I look better on 2000mg than on 1000mg. If I had a huge increase in sides going from 1 to 2g I would probably not consider it worth it but I have no more sides on 2g vs. 1g, so why not take advantage of the benefits of the higher dose?

great to know. if i could have delts like yours i may consider those type of dosages in the future. that's why this is a great thread...

Nate · 07-06-2008, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by xtinct

Nate, when you add up SS's doses it comes out to 2,650mg/wk. That's definitely high but not "phucking insane" as you put it. I am about to run 2700mg WK (3400mg if I had been able to get anavar) and while it's not a cycle I would recommend to anyone else, I don't see anything insane about it.

he also said a year ago he was on 5-6 grams/week. either way you slice it, it can't be justified.

Blut Wump · 07-06-2008, 05:25 AM

To those suggesting that a combined 2g+ of gear is not a sane dose for anyone not competing, I can only suggest that you've not tried it. The first time I went over 2g total, I was running enan, eq, npp and winny and felt completely fine (ie no noticeable sides). My BP was slightly elevated but nothing to distress either me or my doctor and could even have been explained away with my training stress.

Also, don't take the fact that someone is okay with a couple of grams as an indication that they would necessarily run that dose as a matter of course. Taking myself as an example again, I'm quite happy to run 1ml E3D with, maybe, some nandrolone thrown in. If my training and life situation are all on point, though, I'll not feel any need to hold back from going higher or adding in compounds I know I can cope with.

One of the points to this thread, as I see it, is to see how we each differ. If you get sides at 500 of test then don't go over 500. If you need 2g of test to get the results you want to see and don't get sides then, as we've seen here, some guys can run it and can be just fine with proper use of ancillaries. Equally, some (most) can't tolerate such a dose.

One piece of advice that crops up repeatedly on the site is that you need to learn your own body, its responses and its tolerances. Whatever you're running, keep an eye on your body and on your BP.

Immortalis · 07-06-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Blut Wump

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One piece of advice that crops up repeatedly on the site is that you need to learn your own body, its responses and its tolerances.
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+1

To the guys bashing SS's dosages, just think that the average person thinks that your use in general is insane. But that is because most average people are completely uneducated in regards to gear's impact on the human body.

Now, most "users" here on this board are fairly educated to a certain extent in the proper use of gear. However you are NOT educated in how SOMEONE ELSES body responds to gear use. So your "knowledge" is basically useless when it comes to applying that knowledge to another person, because everyone responds differently. So to judge someone elses dosages as "insane" is pretty much completely unjustified unless you're his physician and have seen his bloodwork results.

booey · 07-06-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by anabolic24/7

Depends on how well your test is dosed. A true dose of 750mgs test/wk is amazing. Then again I've done a gram or more of some UG stuff and it wasn't even close.

+1,000,000 - can't compare UG with HG.

Agreed with what's been said - it's very individual. Not even with Test, but all steroids. Some people can't run over 75mg EOD of Tren without the ides being intolerable - others can run 150mg ED just fine. To say someone elses cycle is insane is not completely fair because unless we have the same genetic makeup as that individual, we'll never know if it is truly insane or not. I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt to most of the bros on this board to know when they need to scale down on the doses as a result of increasing amount of sides versus benefit. I wouldn't call many people on here "careless".

View Poll Results: This is on concentration of test per week.
<100mg/week......mangina dosages	2	2.82%
100-200mg/wk.........women dosages	0	0%
200-300mg/wk.........old man dosages	0	0%
300-400mg/wk.........The "step-up" dosage	0	0%
400-500mg/wk.........the 2cc dosage	2	2.82%
500-600mg/wk.........cruiser dosage	3	4.23%
600-700mg/wk.........3cc dosage	2	2.82%
700-800mg/wk.........slightly larger 3cc dosage	3	4.23%
800-900mg/wk........The 4 cc dosage	1	1.41%
900-1000mg/wk.......oddball dosage	4	5.63%
1000-1200mg/wk......"oh my God i'm at a gram" dose"	23	32.39%
1200-1400mg/wk......5cc syringe status	8	11.27%
1400-1600mg/wk......1cc/day dosage	9	12.68%
1600-1800mg/wk.......don't know what to call this one	3	4.23%
1800-2000mg/wk......Almost to big boy status	1	1.41%
2000+mg/wk............Big boy status!!!!	10	14.08%
Voters: 71. You may not vote on this poll

07-05-2008, 11:19 PM	#30 (permalink)
jbonez19 Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: great southern land Posts: 279 Rep Power: 10060	i would question whether anything over 1250/week is going to give you proportional returns. surely there comes a point where your body is just not able to "use" that much. going over that point doesn't make sense to me. i really don't have an idea where that point is, so i definitely don't agree with calling people's protocols INSANE. that's not what we're about here is it? also if that horse guy was the "horse" from AR, it's brightened my day to see him banned. the guy is a real asshole, so good riddance dickhead. good work BMJ, great thread too. let's keep the judgemental attitudes to a minimum can we guys. unless you've used those dosages yourself, how can you say they're insane? i do have a suggestion for a name for the 16 - 1800 dose though. how about, the "where did my balls go?" dose. i also think the "big boy dose" should be renamed "little boy dose" for the same reason. KIDDING!! Last edited by jbonez19; 07-05-2008 at 11:30 PM..

07-05-2008, 11:21 PM	#31 (permalink)
KKAZ Savvy? Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Over that horizon Posts: 483 Rep Power: 29879	Of course its all relative to the individual. Their history of usage and whatever works for them. Right now a high dossage of test for me is anything over a gram. Ive got some PL buddies who swear they are gaining on a measley 2oo per week. Different strokes for different folks. I want to be lifting and getting better for a long long time to come.So, i personally have to take into consideration the risk/ benefit factor. In other words,the most i can tolerate without creating unwanted future sides. __________________ K

07-06-2008, 01:45 AM	#35 (permalink)
bgriff SBT ADDICT Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 4,721 Rep Power: 161350	Im in the 2k club __________________ GRRRRRRR . . .

07-05-2008, 09:33 PM	#28 (permalink)
xtinct Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,052 Rep Power: 23729	Nate, when you add up SS's doses it comes out to 2,650mg/wk. That's definitely high but not "phucking insane" as you put it. I am about to run 2700mg WK (3400mg if I had been able to get anavar) and while it's not a cycle I would recommend to anyone else, I don't see anything insane about it.

07-05-2008, 10:46 PM	#29 (permalink)
J. Adams Athletic Wizard Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 940 Rep Power: 50945	It is for a guy thats NOT an athlete/competitor. I'm sorry, but any way you slice it he's using excessive doses.

07-06-2008, 12:33 AM	#33 (permalink)
lesarin Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 447 Rep Power: 10236	no offense to solidspine, but he is my dads age and i couldnt in a million years seeing my dad run all that shit. If im still alive at his age i would run that too, i dont want to live past 65 anyways. why not go balls to the wall? also considering he is married and has alot of kids. this anti-social nutcase will never understand you normal people.

07-06-2008, 12:45 AM	#34 (permalink)
Curious George Moderator and Future CRNA Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 2,458 Rep Power: 19276	JoeD, I'm a little fella. 5ft5 maybe 195 or so. Nothing special.

07-06-2008, 05:25 AM	#38 (permalink)
Blut Wump The Venerable Wump Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 7,241 Rep Power: 323832	To those suggesting that a combined 2g+ of gear is not a sane dose for anyone not competing, I can only suggest that you've not tried it. The first time I went over 2g total, I was running enan, eq, npp and winny and felt completely fine (ie no noticeable sides). My BP was slightly elevated but nothing to distress either me or my doctor and could even have been explained away with my training stress. Also, don't take the fact that someone is okay with a couple of grams as an indication that they would necessarily run that dose as a matter of course. Taking myself as an example again, I'm quite happy to run 1ml E3D with, maybe, some nandrolone thrown in. If my training and life situation are all on point, though, I'll not feel any need to hold back from going higher or adding in compounds I know I can cope with. One of the points to this thread, as I see it, is to see how we each differ. If you get sides at 500 of test then don't go over 500. If you need 2g of test to get the results you want to see and don't get sides then, as we've seen here, some guys can run it and can be just fine with proper use of ancillaries. Equally, some (most) can't tolerate such a dose. One piece of advice that crops up repeatedly on the site is that you need to learn your own body, its responses and its tolerances. Whatever you're running, keep an eye on your body and on your BP.