Grim future...

[proteinfiend]

In the past we've said AAS is a different kind of drug because the general populous that use it, are hardworking, intelligent (just go with it) people who can hold down a job, etc... We also say that no one has died from it, via squabbles to obtain the drug, because in reality, it was readily available.

Today, with rising prices and lesser availability, there will be gangs and other groups pushing the substances because it is now so lucrative and the markup is thousands upon thousands %. It is obvious that Op: Raw Deal has put this effect into place, and it is really a sad state.

If this does become reality (maybe in years to come) I would hate to look like a juicer, because you might have to look over your shoulder so as not to get pinched, followed, or robbed. You would also have to worry about both the COPS and the ROBBERS (so to speak, they may even be your bros).

If there are murders, and gang activity that can be traced back to solely AAS sales/usage, it will be demonized by the media even more so (is that possible?), and users will be facing stiffer penalties from the law. All because of O:RD, and the assumed gangs to follow. Not the users and dealers that there were years ago, that got along in peace and harmony. In the end, it was our (some of us) fault, due to flamboyant activity on the boards, open sourcing, etc...

I hope this never evolves, but it was just a thought that came to mind - so I figured Id share.

-PF

[ILIEKFUDE]

Originally Posted by proteinfiend

If there are murders, and gang activity that can be traced back to solely AAS sales/usage, it will be demonized by the media even more so (is that possible?), and users will be facing stiffer penalties from the law. All because of O:RD, and the assumed gangs to follow. Not the users and dealers that there were years ago, that got along in peace and harmony. In the end, it was our (some of us) fault, due to flamboyant activity on the boards, open sourcing, etc...

There might not be much violence over the trade visable here in the us but im sure internationally its a war as it always is with black market goods.
For all you know the international guys people are dealing with are sitting on that computer in a room full of caged up heroine strung out sex slaves right next to the crates of AAS, ak-47's and coke..
not to mention, if osama n his band of merry faggots had half a brain they'd be on here selling anthrax or aids filled vials of the shit to all us americans.
thats one of the main reasons i never took the plunge into the darkside.. to much risk for my paranoid brain.

[proteinfiend]

Originally Posted by ILIEKFUDE

not to mention, if osama n his band of merry faggots had half a brain they'd be on here selling anthrax or aids filled vials of the shit to all us americans.
thats one of the main reasons i never took the plunge into the darkside.. to much risk for my paranoid brain.

Gotcha on the first part. This part is indeed paranoid, even by my standards.

There could be AAS related violence internationally, but I have not heard of any. BMJ? Im sure Canada is similar to us, England (since its relatively legal), and the Aussies perhaps the same.

Mexico is riddled with violence and corruption, so perhaps.

I cannot speak for Asia or Eastern Europe though. Maybe someone can chime in.

Back to the point though, does anyone see that as a possible scenario in the USA? (needed to clarify)

[jagerbombme]

not so much, i don't see intelligent hardworking people like myself purchasing aas from gangbangers. think of the mentality of those folks, no pun intended lol, you can never trust what they are selling you and that is why my friend is dead today cause of fentanol laced heroin. you'd never get what your buying and it'd be way way too risky to inject something from street thugs into your ass. i know heroin addicts do this but we are not them.

on a note of price though, not to mention labs or sources or anything but jagbags are ripping people around these parts for over 200 a bottle of anything and im not talking about high mg/ml. talking 250mg/ml 10ml bottles. sad

	ASS Nelson Montana

[Iron God]

Gear is nowhere near as easy to move or as lucrative as COKE or H. No money ,no territory, no killing

1 coke bust in NY involving 12 guys,netted in 5 times the amount of money of the entire Operation Raw Deal.

EXAMPLE say a kilo of coke ssel 20-25k for a weight buy, Step on it, now you got 1.5 kilo. Bulk sell at 45K per pack or street level $70-$80 gram and that shit is gone in a week (do the math). Within a month you would not even be able to keep up with the demand.

[MR. BMJ]

I can't really predict anything, but what I am waiting for, is the Olympics to pass by, and to see if China once again follows suit of the past.

That will tell the future on a lot of things.

The trend of linking AAS to anything that commits a crime has been upon us for awhile. I'm waiting to see at some point where this backfires because of too much BS produced. It's hard to tell really.

BMJ

[ILIEKFUDE]

Originally Posted by jagerbombme

not so much, i don't see intelligent hardworking people like myself purchasing aas from gangbangers. think of the mentality of those folks, no pun intended lol, you can never trust what they are selling you and that is why my friend is dead today cause of fentanol laced heroin. you'd never get what your buying and it'd be way way too risky to inject something from street thugs into your ass. i know heroin addicts do this but we are not them.

on a note of price though, not to mention labs or sources or anything but jagbags are ripping people around these parts for over 200 a bottle of anything and im not talking about high mg/ml. talking 250mg/ml 10ml bottles. sad

Im sayin, how would you know who yr really dealing with bud? For all you know yr funding a rebellion somewhere or a suicide bombing kit.

	ASS Nelson Montana

[JayC]

Originally Posted by proteinfiend

Gotcha on the first part. This part is indeed paranoid, even by my standards.

There could be AAS related violence internationally, but I have not heard of any. BMJ? Im sure Canada is similar to us, England (since its relatively legal), and the Aussies perhaps the same.

Mexico is riddled with violence and corruption, so perhaps.

I cannot speak for Asia or Eastern Europe though. Maybe someone can chime in.

Back to the point though, does anyone see that as a possible scenario in the USA? (needed to clarify)

I do see your point and it's valid but my opinion (just go with it..lol).. No, you will not see this in the US.. as compared to Crack, coke, meth, gangs, dealers, etc.. for the simple FACT that AAS is NOT physically addictive.. period! Will it involve "shady" characters and underground operations, of course (until it's legalized).. Some may remember John Gotti Jr's big bust after his pops went to jail in the 90's, it was for selling steroids (loads of Test). So yes, to some extent because it's "controlled", certain people will always get involved.. but the fact that most gear users are white collar, average age, well educated, intelligent males, with good paying jobs, says alot. and I think most would just assume not using it if it became a danger to losing their jobs, status, families, freedom, life, etc, etc.. Not the case with say, CRACK! ..and the fucking criminals know it. A drug like that will have people selling their kids to get another hit and that is how a cartel is built.

[JayC]

Originally Posted by ILIEKFUDE

Im sayin, how would you know who yr really dealing with bud? For all you know yr funding a rebellion somewhere or a suicide bombing kit.

No way. Not enough money in it when compared to other illegal options..IMO Not the mention to effort, time, and money it takes to operate a ligit pharmaceutical operation.

[ILIEKFUDE]

Originally Posted by JayC

No way. Not enough money in it when compared to other illegal options..IMO Not the mention to effort, time, and money it takes to operate a ligit pharmaceutical operation.

anything is possible man. any of those bathtub domestic operations that were around and still may be around coulda been a terrorist cel pumpin laced juice. imagine aids in yr ug lab juice. what do you do on test? fuck stuff. that'd make for a nice lil hiv epidemic.
HUGE STRETCH, I KNOW!
But, all im saying very simply again, is you never know who your dealing with in that shit unless yr looking them in the face.

[ILIEKFUDE]

man im post whorein today..
i need to start work fuckin soon lmao..

[jagerbombme]

lol, man you are paranoid, i guess so, that's why you check out your lab, and know possibly something about the guy, know he's been around, know that nobodies gotten infections from his gear, know that his gears always been good that he doesn't rip people off. terrorists don't fuck around like that, they car bomb, use that shit they used on the trains to make people sick, anthrax. fucking idiots. do you pay taxes, do you know what your taxes are funding, if you really did it'd probably turn your stomach, so im gonna go on and say, if the guy i buy my shit off of always sends me my goods, and is good to me, i don't care wtf his personal agenda is and highly highly highly doubt it has anything to do with hurting people or terrorism. hehe, they make money off opium fields and oil

[MR. BMJ]

There was a guy on EF a few years back who stated that one of his buddies died because the AAS he was taking was laced (for lack of a better word) with motor oil or something like that. I want to say that the dealer admitted placing the shit in it too...going off memory here though, so could be wrong. It was back in like 2000-01 when E2 was still a mod there.

Yes, it can happen (fude's question). You have to be aware of who you are buying from. That's why i didn't just jump at every new UG that popped up these last 5 years pre-ORD. Placing something in the drinking water may be an easier crime to commit for terrorists though...imo.

BMJ

[booey]

Originally Posted by ILIEKFUDE

anything is possible man. any of those bathtub domestic operations that were around and still may be around coulda been a terrorist cel pumpin laced juice. imagine aids in yr ug lab juice. what do you do on test? fuck stuff. that'd make for a nice lil hiv epidemic.
HUGE STRETCH, I KNOW!
But, all im saying very simply again, is you never know who your dealing with in that shit unless yr looking them in the face.

They can easily lace our food supply with poison too but it doesn't mean we should stop eating. Everything in life is a risk - it all comes down to likelihoods. The likelihood that al qaeda or whomever will take the time and the money to lace AAS supply with poison is not likely considering they would have a much easier time lacing something else that would effect much much much more people.

Don't let the paranoia get to you my man!!!!

[ILIEKFUDE]

i hear ya guys.
just the bored rantings of a paranoid mind.

[proteinfiend]

Originally Posted by JayC

I think most would just assume not using it if it became a danger to losing their jobs, status, families, freedom, life, etc, etc.. .

I agree with some of what youre saying, but here: after it becomes a danger, its already too late (LE wise). Personally, I couldnt afford a controlled delivery right now. It would end my career. If I had to do time on top of that, Id jump off the nearest bridge.

[Fawkes]

I have seen posts of guys admitting they took used empty vials and just put unsterile cooking oil in them and resold them. I was at the gym 4 or 5 years back and overheard some 19-21 year old guy telling a friend he had a dozen bottles of some AAS that had been opened but hardly used and he was looking to get rid of them. I was under the impression he was speaking loudly so that those around would hear him, hoping to make a sale. It was in the freeweight section.ALOT of cops worked out at that gym and I was always amazed when guys spoke loudly about what gear they were on, especially when visually it was pretty clear they were using.

[solidspine]

Just remember the US government has been successful at what?

War on Drugs---- Nope
War on poverty— Nope
Bay of Pigs--------Nope
Viet Nam----------Nope
War on Crime----- Nope
Tobacco----------Nope
Terrorism---------I don’t think so. See what happens the same month Hillary or Obama gets elected. Toast.


Every thing simply a major FAILURE.




We have been in the Middle East over 5 years, spend billions of dollars, the instant we leave Afghanistan and Iraq. It will be business as usual there too.


So they gave gear a shot,


IMO they have blown there wad, may try again, big deal


I lost 3-4 grand on the first Louisiana tryst, but still doing gear,

Never missed a step.

[jagerbombme]

Originally Posted by solidspine

Just remember the US government has been successful at what?

War on Drugs---- Nope
War on poverty— Nope
Bay of Pigs--------Nope
Viet Nam----------Nope
War on Crime----- Nope
Tobacco----------Nope
Terrorism---------I don’t think so. See what happens the same month Hillary or Obama gets elected. Toast.


Every thing simply a major FAILURE.




We have been in the Middle East over 5 years, spend billions of dollars, the instant we leave Afghanistan and Iraq. It will be business as usual there too.


So they gave gear a shot,


IMO they have blown there wad, may try again, big deal


I lost 3-4 grand on the first Louisiana tryst, but still doing gear,

Never missed a step.

lmfao, i love that post

[jagerbombme]

Originally Posted by MR. BMJ

There was a guy on EF a few years back who stated that one of his buddies died because the AAS he was taking was laced (for lack of a better word) with motor oil or something like that. I want to say that the dealer admitted placing the shit in it too...going off memory here though, so could be wrong. It was back in like 2000-01 when E2 was still a mod there.

Yes, it can happen (fude's question). You have to be aware of who you are buying from. That's why i didn't just jump at every new UG that popped up these last 5 years pre-ORD. Placing something in the drinking water may be an easier crime to commit for terrorists though...imo.

BMJ

that is soooooo fucked up

[Harleymarleybone]

I don't see this grim scenario happening. It's still real easy to get AAS, and prices have gone up, but only by about 50% in my experience. I can get 20ml of test e for $150, for example. Also, the demand for AAS is not nearly as high as the demand for rec drugs, since using AAS right requires knowledge and lots of effort, and most people are fat dumb asses. With rec drugs, you just pop it or smoke it in most cases, and fat dumb asses can do that easily. So, I don't see gang turf wars over AAS.

[Dancer]

Kids!!!

What do any of you think happened in the early 90s when the law was first amended?

What do any of you think happened when Mexico was shut down in 2002-03?

Its a market and shit happens... ok has and will... we will adapt.

I agree with many that I just dont see the "bloods" selling juice on the corner of 107th and Crenshaw (sp been a while).

A piece of shit vial of Brovel test 2000 in 1998 was over $100 in many places.

markets will come and go. Other UGs will also come and go.

[proteinfiend]

Originally Posted by Dancer

A piece of shit vial of Brovel test 2000 in 1998 was over $100 in many places.

Id also wager that the demand has increased atleast 20x since 1998. With the invention of the internet. Shoot, I dont even know if EF was around back then, now look at how many boards there are.

[Dancer]

Originally Posted by proteinfiend

Id also wager that the demand has increased atleast 20x since 1998. With the invention of the internet. Shoot, I dont even know if EF was around back then, now look at how many boards there are.

The demand is more. The number of gyms is more. The life style has expanded... the amount and variety of AAS is more also...


Shit goes in cycles no pun intended

[proteinfiend]

Shit does go in cycles but fitness has really yet to see one. Its up and up right now, with health awareness at an all time highest (from USA standpoint obviously). I see no plateau in people wanting to get jacked in the near future, or women wanting to lose weight but have enormous tits at the same time.

As our lifestyles get faster and faster, vanity and being skin deep are so much more commonplace as thats all you really get to know about someone before you either marry them or move on to the next one.