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[CanonOfMan]

LD,

It may sound like I'm just chiming in, but the posts have been excellent. I've done much reading on many boards and the lack of detail in planning, administation, and evaluation of many cycles is not acceptable in my book.

I am a cyclist and in my opinion caffiene, at whatever dose, is no good. If you are going to use it though, it should be dosed low and cycled, such as once a week on the workout you might need it most for, otherwise you'll become dependent on it to be at the level you'd normally be at by using no stimulants at all.

Many strength athletes are scared that endurace rides will sap explosiveness, however, if you look to the professional cyclists you have guys like Mario Cippolini that put in 5+ hours on the bike damn near every day and still have incredible power, leg pressing over 1700 lbs, though I havn't found any info on what he squats which would be more telling. I've never seen a vertical listed for the guy either, but if you have power, going on a long ride once a week isn't going to take it away, but it will help take away the stubborn fat over the lower abs. It's too late for this season, but in the future you may consider getting a road bike and building to the point where you are able to do a 4+ hour ride every weekend. I'd say it would help your power as far as long term development is concerned, and obviously endurace and aerobic capacity, because four hours of moderate to easy riding will further develop your capillary system, not to mention help out with your slightly high cholesterol.

Also, there was a great post floating around on this board supposedly in regards to collagen synthesis, someone from Steroidworld high jacked it because it was so great and that's where I came across it. It said that EQ, Deca, Anavar, Primo, and GH were all great for increasing tendon/ligament strength, and bone mass/density. Of course GH is the best, but anavar ain't no slouch. From what i've come across 30mg ED for someone with your weight is a real mild dose, (would you agree with that based on your research? I've seen numbers that range from .125mg/lb to as high as .4mg/lb and you are almost right on the .125mg/lb)however I think you should have a little consolation in knowing that anavar is, again from what i've read, been used many times clinically for those needing rapid tendon/ligament repair. Your ankle should be thanking you, maybe your intuition knew the ankle sprain was on the way and pushed you towards the Ox as well.

By the way, it's guys like you that help shatter stereotypes, in your case the one where football players have no intellect, so keep it up.

[archive_LuckyDog]

Well guys, I definitely think it’s time for another update…I definitely need to get this down tonight as the emotions are still fresh. First off, I would like to start by saying I have hit “rock bottom” tonight in a way. Don’t get me wrong, my cycle is going great as I’m in Week 9 of 13 weeks (Week 8 of Prop) and I am definitely happy with the results so far. But tonight things were rough for me. And to be frank, I’m pretty damn pissed right now. First off, my lift tonight started good as I felt strong, and definitely in a good mood as we are now in Week 8 of our summer program and today was a light day for squats. We only got up to 495 for some singles. Hangcleans went great hitting 295 for some singles with relative ease. Anyways, I’m lifting and definitely keeping pace with my buddy who is one of the best athletes on the team and one of the strongest. Our lift went great but as we went to our conditioning field, things were downhill from there. First off, I have to tape my ankle on days like these as the field is so uneven I’d easily twist it if it wasn’t supported. But anyways, to get to the point, my SHITTY endurance drove me over the edge tonight. We had “Flying 110’s” as our conditioning and tonight my body gave me the message that I need to change something…big time. I truly feel tonight that I was in tune with my body…the only problem was I felt it because it was screaming from so much pain. My problem stared me in the face tonight, and I have vowed to change some things, and to not lose sight of my goals. As we conditioned, my body literally broke down on me. As we ran, my lower back was so tired/tight/ and full of pain that I couldn’t even run right. I ran as stiff as a board as the lactic acid built up in my legs until my strides became uneven, choppy, and I couldn’t even lift my thighs high enough to hit my stride right. The lack of being in superb “endurance shape” really shown through tonight and the problem stared me right in my face…it is my weight.

My diet has been relatively clean, but my carbs have been lower during the week and as I go on trips during the weekend and visit people, my body screams for them and it seems that I eat non-stop on the weekends…mostly of shitty, half ways healthy carbs. (As that’s what’s mostly/easily available). It appears that I go on a “food/carb fest” and my body just sucks them up and blows up as I start the week…example: today I weighed in at an all time high of 235.4lbs naked. Yes, I love the look and I will admit, my bodyfat is lower than when I began my cycle (slightly) but the weight is just getting to be too much for me to carry/handle and still be a finely tuned athlete. I weigh easily 10 more lbs. than where I want to play at…and the problem is that if you look at my goals when I started this cycle I am on a “Quest for speed”. Well I feel I have achieved the explosive, “football speed” part but the all out sprint, side to side of the field coverage speed is what I still need to attain. So after tonight’s experience, I have made a decision that I am now going to up the protein to around 430 grams a day, cut the carbs somewhat and eat TOTALLY CLEAN with no cheating, expecially on the weekends. Carbs will only be from my protein powder, red potatoes, brown rice, and some occasional multi-grain bread. I am going to turn this cycle into more of a “Cutter” these last few weeks as I’d like to lose at most 10lbs. (Camp will take off some more weight). This will translate into more SPEED (less bodyweight to carry) and also hopefully more explosiveness/quickness.

I also am pissed because I got my blood tests back and the results of my lipid panels weren’t the prettiest (to be expected) and my supervising doctor scared the hell out of me with his overreaction to my results. Well I do feel those have a part to do with my problems but tomorrow I will hopefully have the time as there are two posts that I’ve been wanting to make…one of my mid cycle blood test results/updates and a second that will give you guys a peak into a training session with a competitive athlete such as myself.

But tonight was just something else as my body “broke down” and I attribute many of my “minor injuries” to my weight. Yes, we get our asses kicked every day, but since I have gained this much weight I have had 1) A minor pec. Strain, 2) Reoccurring back tightness/fatigue problems to the point that they are dehibilitating, 3) painful shin pumps so that I can’t run, and a case of tendonitis in my right knee right below my knee cap that is really starting to piss me off. I wear a “compression sleeve” over it but the pain is still there and has been hampering my workouts/pissing me off. (I feel it might have something to do with it being on the same leg as my severe ankle sprain which going on 6 weeks is still not 100% yet, but for the most part better. Tonight while I was running, the lower back pain was so intense, that it completely cleared all other thoughts out of my head as I ran as I could only focus (not by choice) on the pain. It brought tears to my eyes as we ran in the 85 degree heat, and carrying this much weight made my breathing extremely heavy and labored as if I was suffocating and couldn’t get enough oxygen to breathe…much like being held underwater. Please keep in mind this wasn’t any conditioning though, it was trying to make 24 110-yard sprints (Which ended up being about 122yds. As my coach paced it off by foot—on purpose of course) in a time of 17 seconds each with only a 30 second break in between each one…yeah, I’m not lying when I say our conditioning is tough. Then after that, we had about 10 minutes of non-stop DB drills for all skills people to help with our footwork/speed. This whole thing after doing a complete workout that would leave you drained by itself. Well now that it’s way too late and I need my sleep (to grow of course) and I’m going to do conditioning twice tomorrow as we have a 3-4 day break coming up and I just babbled on tonight and pissed myself off even more b/c it didn’t come out the way I wanted it to as my thoughts had been more organized and had some things to add but I definitely need some sleep.

(If you guys can’t tell, as I wrote before I’m a very emotional and demanding person of myself…if I’m not the best or at the top and it’s something I want, I will do almost anything to get it, it’s just the nature of competitiveness and dedication that it takes to make it around here.)


As an Odds and End—Looking back, if anyone was not in my situation or a similar one I would not recommend any AAS at this age because of the constant emotional fluxuations which seem to be ever so common at my age. It seems as if I am on a roller coaster with constant “Ups and Downs” and I will be honest, with regular school, summer school, a job, football (which is a job in itself), trying to keep my 3.98 (got my first B this past semester…the asshole), and worrying about relationships, what I’m going to do for the rest of my life and everything else, it’s just too much at times, even for me. But I wouldn’t do this any other way…it’s who I am and what I want to do. Well hopefully I’ll find some time to get these other posts up in a day or two (They take on average at least an hour each) and keep all of you guys updated. Until then, take care, lift hard and remember, onward and upward.

~LD~

Education is a continuous process ending only when ambition comes to a halt.
-Col. R. I. Rees

[archive_Ulter]

A few things. First, your frustration is normal but your resolve it what sets you apart. I am proud to know someone like you.

You may have noticed that most of us bulk and then cut. Leaving heavy cardio out of the bulking process. You are trying to do both at the same time. Your rapid muscle and weight gain takes more time for your body to adjust to than you're allowing for it. Stop killing yourself with these exercises mentally and physically. Do what you can do within a comfort zone, if there is such a thing doing what you're doing. You have the strength now to really tear yourself up if you don't be careful. I think you're seeing that.


The best thing you can do is to clean up your diet as you've indicated your doing. If you cheat you should be using Glucorell R before the junk meals. Use 4-5 if you have to.

Either double your arimidex or switch to aromasin to get rid of more water. You're trying to slosh around and extra couple gallons of water from side to side. You'll be amazed how well you're able to do this once it's gone. Breathing is easier too.

[archive_LuckyDog]

Ulter, so you're suggesting I up my arimidex to 2mg/day? I don't have any aromasin on hand but I do have enough arimidex to double my dosage for the next four weeks. My question is though, will it have that great of an effect on my already poor lipid profile? I'm just wondering b/c 2mg ED of Arimidex seems like alot. But if it would help reduce more water I'll do it. Thanks

LD

Education is a continuous process ending only when ambition comes to a halt.
-Col. R. I. Rees

[archive_Killer]

Luckydog,

I had many of the same problems you have the summer before my college senior year. I had horrible low back cramping and worse yet, those damn shin cramps. I did my speed and agilities at my highschool in the evening and had to climb the fence cuz it was closed. After one session, my shins cramped so bad I had to lay there for 2 hours cuz I was unable to climb the fence.

The only thing that helped my back was doing only short (20-50 yard) sprints. Shins, well nothing helped those.

As you said, cut down on those bad carbs and take some R-ALA with them, which might help the bloat.

Def up the anti-E's. After your cycle, your cho levels will bounce back.

As Ulter pointed out, trying to increase everything at once is tough on the body.

[archive_Flash]

Your up 21 pounds in 6 weeks.

Be glad your still competitive on the field right now. Keep optimistic. How many guys could strap on a 20lb wieght vest and even do the training your doing. Not many, Im sure. I experienced the same things you are now when I decided to start using AAS for performance enhancement. Gaining wieght at an unexpected rate. losing endurance. being winded easily. This will all pass.

I would reconsider your diet. Everyone is individual, but IMO (thats a waiver for potential flamers) I would NOT increase protein. Your an amino assembly line, and your not going to lose wieght cutting carbs. You will however totally screw your performance on the field up in a carb depleted state. You'll get weaker in the gym, slower on the field and have a harder time focusing. YOUR NOT A BODYBUILDER! Why on earth are you eating like one. Try switching your carb and protein and lowering your fat intake; 400g of carbs/250g of protein/100g of fat. Thats 3700kcal, and you should have plenty of energy and well enough recovery without too much extra protein available for anything other than repair. I believ avoiding soreness and being redy for the next day is the most important aspect.

Please Killer and everyone tell him if you believe Im wrong, but I think LD's diet is all show and no go. It'll make you big and lean, but not fast and strong.

[archive_Killer]

Def not low carb, just "smarter" carbs You are right, as an athlete, the last thing you want to do is try to train and do speed/conditioning in a carb depleted state.

[archive_Ulter]

Yes it will further trash your lipid profile but you really needn't be concerned with that for a month or two. The ideal thing would be to email some friend of yours who might have some aromasin laying around in their gear box under the sink.

[archive_LuckyDog]

Allright guys, I'm gonna make this relatively quick b/c I'm about to head out on a nice weekend vacation on the water and I'd like to start off by saying Happy 4th of July to everyone out there. Anyways, as you guys can see, Ulter just posted my Mid Cycle Blood Test results and a few comments...

******Ulter, I hate to be picky, but could you repost them in this post so they can see them? Like right here...Thanks****



First off my doctor wrote me about being concerned about my results complaining that my dosages are too high (lol) Well here's a dancing banana for him and that my body can't handle the amount of AAS in my system...

I highlighted in Orange the results that I thought should be looked at as you can see my lipid profile got completely trashed to high hell. At first this scared me, but after some consulting I realized that #1 This is a direct result of my extremly high levels of testosterone and of course they're gonna be bad b/c I'm on cycle and taking arimidex, etc... #2 My family genetics for cholesterol aren't the greatest.. #3 After reading a post on Elite tonight about Cholesterol Myths by none other than Fukkenshredded, he definately calmed any of my worries about heart disease. #4 I am a 20 year old competitive athlete and there is not a single documented case of heart disease/attack by bad lipid profiles for a couple of months due to one cycle. Anywho, as you can see, my Testosterone levels are pretty much through the roof, which is EXTREMELY nice...I mean I'm not complaining but if anyone was ever wondering how high they can get...that's an example right there.

My T3 is up, even though I am not using an Cytomel or anything, but the doc suggested that is b/c my metabolism has increased. My IGF-I and IGHBP-3 is low suggesting a partial GH deficiency or resistance but the doc thought that hopefully they would normalize after I lower/stop my AAS.

As you can tell, my liver and is completely fine suggesting that the Ox isn't having any effect, and that the supplements are preventing any (possible) effects. My SHBG has dropped drastically, any suggestions as to why?

The final thing that bothers me is that my levels in my CBC are raised suggesting what GW mentioned earlier, that I have some acquired allergies and that my immune system might be partially weakened during the cycle? (Just a guess)

Thanks to one of the best guys out there and a good friend of mine I will be changing to Aromasin as soon as possible to take any any left over bloat and to help my lipid profile normalize as it has no bad effects on cholesterol. I will take blood tests again 7-8 weeks postcycle to compare final results of everything so I'm gonna get running.

Odds and Ends The cycle is going good, nothing groundbreaking to mention. Weight is staying steady, dropping a little but it's still too soon to say much. Still feel extremely strong and if anyone has any comments about my blood work or anything else, please feel free to chime in. I am now off to a 4 day break as I feel I need a rest from everything to recover and just relax...lol May have to get some rollerblading or tennis or bball in there though Anyways, I will put up my post about a training session when I get back. Everyone take care and keep lifting hard...Onward and Upward my fellow brothers.

LD

Education is a continuous process ending only when ambition comes to a halt.
-Col. R. I. Rees

[This message was edited by Ulter on 07-03-2003 at 10:48 PM.]

[Steakbomb]

Whats up bro
I too have had some of the problems youre experiencing. My sport of choice is one that requires alot of speed..and size provides a tremendous advantage..

[Steakbomb]

I accidnetally posted prematurley..
what i was saying is that extra pounds of muscle obviously prvide an inherent advantage on the field..BUT only if you can carry that weight on the athletic field.
I hae had similar problems while running test. During hills,300 or 400 yard sprints my shins became so pumped i couldnt walk. My lower back always screamed. It never kept me out of the workout but it obviously hindered my performace in conditioning drills.
I eventually had to try and change something, similar to what you are doing, to get my body to perform well in ALL aspects of our conditioning program...not just the weight room.
I know youre strggling with this and i wish you luck.

[Fonz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuckyDog:
Allright guys, I'm gonna make this relatively quick b/c I'm about to head out on a nice weekend vacation on the water and I'd like to start off by saying Happy 4th of July to everyone out there. Anyways, as you guys can see, Ulter just posted my Mid Cycle Blood Test results and a few comments...

******Ulter, I hate to be picky, but could you repost them in this post so they can see them? Like right here...Thanks****

http://www.anabolicfitness.net/images/midcycle.jpg

First off my doctor wrote me about being concerned about my results complaining that my dosages are too high (lol) Well here's a dancing banana for him and that my body can't handle the amount of AAS in my system...

I highlighted in Orange the results that I thought should be looked at as you can see my lipid profile got completely trashed to high hell. At first this scared me, but after some consulting I realized that #1 This is a direct result of my extremly high levels of testosterone and of course they're gonna be bad b/c I'm on cycle and taking arimidex, etc... #2 My family genetics for cholesterol aren't the greatest.. #3 After reading a post on Elite tonight about Cholesterol Myths by none other than Fukkenshredded, he definately calmed any of my worries about heart disease. #4 I am a 20 year old competitive athlete and there is not a single documented case of heart disease/attack by bad lipid profiles for a couple of months due to one cycle. Anywho, as you can see, my Testosterone levels are pretty much through the roof, which is EXTREMELY nice...I mean I'm not complaining but if anyone was ever wondering how high they can get...that's an example right there.

My T3 is up, even though I am not using an Cytomel or anything, but the doc suggested that is b/c my metabolism has increased. My IGF-I and IGHBP-3 is low suggesting a partial GH deficiency or resistance but the doc thought that hopefully they would normalize after I lower/stop my AAS.

As you can tell, my liver and is completely fine suggesting that the Ox isn't having any effect, and that the supplements are preventing any (possible) effects. My SHBG has dropped drastically, any suggestions as to why?

The final thing that bothers me is that my levels in my CBC are raised suggesting what GW mentioned earlier, that I have some acquired allergies and that my immune system might be partially weakened during the cycle? (Just a guess)

Thanks to one of the best guys out there and a good friend of mine I will be changing to Aromasin as soon as possible to take any any left over bloat and to help my lipid profile normalize as it has no bad effects on cholesterol. I will take blood tests again 7-8 weeks postcycle to compare final results of everything so I'm gonna get running.

_Odds and Ends_ The cycle is going good, nothing groundbreaking to mention. Weight is staying steady, dropping a little but it's still too soon to say much. Still feel extremely strong and if anyone has any comments about my blood work or anything else, please feel free to chime in. I am now off to a 4 day break as I feel I need a rest from everything to recover and just relax...lol May have to get some rollerblading or tennis or bball in there though Anyways, I will put up my post about a training session when I get back. Everyone take care and keep lifting hard...Onward and Upward my fellow brothers.

LD

Education is a continuous process ending only when ambition comes to a halt.
-Col. R. I. Rees

[This message was edited by Ulter on 07-03-2003 at 10:48 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For the HDL and LDL values and total cholesterol:

Start taking 180mg Guggulsterones/day and 1g Green Tea/day. They will improve almost isntantly(HDL,LDL,total cholesterol). To minimize low HDL problems, take 1 garlic pill(standardized for 3200mcg aillicin) w/ every meal. Aillicin mimics HDL and is 2.5 times more potent to boot. So, even though your HDL is low, yopur body is fooled into thinking it is not because of the aillicin.

Also, R-ALA reduces triglycerides considerably......if you consume <20% fat diet.

Fonz

"Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people"

---- Fonz 6/2002

[archive_Killer]

How about an update LuckyDog? I saw the College Gameday package and thought of you.

[South of the border]

Lucky dog,

Take the time to read carefully the replies of Ulter, Killer, flash and fonz on your most recent post. They all make good points.

Here is my two cents...

Be careful not to overextend yourself. You seem to have your "plate" quite full: School, division one football, working out intensely, six meals a day plus the gear, part time job, girlfriend and (I am guessing) social life.

How are you? Are you able to get enough quality sleep every night (something that is sometimes difficult with a "healty" girlfriend)? Do you have time to get all your meals in? Do you have/take enough time to study every day?

Think about this for a moment. If you answer no to any one of these questions then you might need to cut down on the less important things.
Manage your time effectively.

Best of luck.

[Tall Dude]

those cholesterol numbers are nothing to worry about for the short term

[archive_LuckyDog]

I’m BACK. I know you guys thought I got lost and couldn’t find my way back to AF and I was AWOL for a while but I guess it comes with the busy life that I lead. I don’t have the benefit of getting to stand at the top of the World Headquarters of AnaFit and look out of the 20th floor and laugh methodically as the insignificant people walking the sidewalks in front of my building look like ants as they walk by and get to post on AF and other web boards all day as my “job” like our dear friend Ulter does.
But anyways, I did find some time to post and I do have several posts I want to get up within the next week as the culmination of all of my hard work this summer is arriving. Next week I start CAMP. Oh yeah baby, let me tell you how excited I am now that camp is this close. Every time I see anything about football on ESPN I get chills down my back, it’s what’s going to drive me for the next 15-20 weeks. But I will talk a little more about that in a second.

Cycle Results/Decisions:

First off, because of several reasons I opted to end my cycle last Saturday the 29th. If looking back at my original post that means I ended the cycle in Week 12, instead of Week 13 as planned. I got 12 weeks of Ox and 11 of Prop in and overall I am definitely pleased. After taking a better look at my diet and other factors, I ended up last Saturday at a bodyweight of roughly 226-227 lbs. I am happy where I am at that weight as I will most likely loose a couple pounds in camp. My bodyfat has decreased and in the week since I’ve been off I haven’t lost much, if any weight or strength. Over these past few weeks I have had several breakouts of acne, noticeably a minor breakout on my chest that will not go away. I attribute it to the fact that 1) I changed my dosing from 1 mg Arimidex/ED to 25mg Aromasin ED at the end of week 9 and the start of Week 10. This definitely lowered my estrogen level as it is stronger and helped with any remaining bloat. All of my other supplementation stayed the same. One thing I have noticed is that I don’t feel the “glowing” or pumped up feeling/look that you feel only when on, but I know it’s mostly psychological. I can handle it…

**In the near future I will be posting my Testing Stats as we test late next week as we get into camp just so you guys can see shear numbers increase in strength/speed**

BTW, everyone I am using the newly minted Veteran’s Consensus Statement on Post Cycle Recovery:
Veteran Consunsus on Post Cycle Recovery

but I do have to alter it a little bit as there are substances that I can’t be using in there during my season b/c I do get tested by the NCAA and they are banned substances….i.e., DHEA, Deprenyl, etc…

Odds and Ends:
Well I still plan on posting my post cycle blood test results at 8 weeks out (in about 8 weeks from now is when I’ll get the results, as long as a training thread to give you guys a look into what types of torture our coaches put us through and you can see that I ain’t lieing when I say that I get my ass kicked. A thread on reflections looking back is also in order at a later date. (I’m putting all this up here on the board as a “post it note” to myself so I remember when I need to put those up.
Anywho, back to camp. Oh yes, I’m as excited about camp as a 14 year old is when he’s getting ready to look at his first PlayBoy. But from Aug 6th until about the 24th of August my outside life as I know it is over. Every single day including Sundays we will have breakfast starting at 7a.m. (Sometimes taping starts at 6) and we finish each day with our last meeting of the day and the last of our films at about 9-9:30 at night. And then the coaches give us a bed check at 10:30 to make sure we’re home and no one else is there that doesn’t live there. Yeah, even if you have your own house around campus, they still stop by. So, all in all we get about an hour during the day to ourselves to relax. But it’s worth it when you walk in the locker room on game day, the adrenalin is pumping and there is your locker room all decorated with motivational saying, and clippings of your opponent, your jersey hanging on a hanger, your pants, socks, pads all folded and stacked, a pack of gum in your locker, your helmet and cleats shined and in their place. Every single locker is identical, perfectly neat and proper…all I can say is “First Class”. Then when you walk on the field, those two moments are what makes it all worth it…The commitment, the dedication, everything pays off ten-fold.
Another thing I’ve been thinking about is holy shit, talk about competition this year. We’ll have about 130-140 guys arriving at camp, and for the three positions that are in my “core position” or crew, there are predicted to be 24 guys! That’s 8 strings deep at all three positions…Talk about some freshman getting no reps…LOL HAH HAH. All that just makes me more excited and anxious. Anyways, I’ve got to head to work but I hope I gave some more insight to everyone. I will post again soon. Until then, take care, lift hard and remember, onward and upward.

~LD~

Education is a continuous process ending only when ambition comes to a halt.
-Col. R. I. Rees

[This message was edited by LuckyDog on 08-05-2003 at 01:51 PM.]

[archive_Ulter]

No DHEA?

[archive_LuckyDog]

Yep Ulter, here's a list of everything and I have no clue how long DHEA is in your system for. yeah, some of those items are pretty dumb and there's talk that they don't even have a test yet for HGH or EPO. Take care.

LD

It's in PDF format and I don't know how to copy the text and paste it into the Reply window so here's a link to the list directly from their site.

NCAA 2003-2004 Banned Substance List (PDF Format)

Education is a continuous process ending only when ambition comes to a halt.
-Col. R. I. Rees

[MisterX]

awesome reply, obviously lots of work and thought put into constructing your posts, outstanding posting, excellent job posting your cycle. I sure this will lead to adjustments to future cycles of other potential body-builders, good-JoB!!


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