Test. Prop. And Ox., 12 Wk. Complete Diary, Check it out!!!

[BodyByFinaplix]

Killer, I know I was looking at his off cycle test levels...they're slightly higher than my natural test and free test. My doctor wanted me to do some bloodwork before I did my first cycle and I remember him comenting on my testosterone levels. Then again I'm an easy gainer, and don't need high doses to make great gains, my shbg tends to be low, so 200 mg seems to do more for me than 500 or 600 does friends of mine.
LD, a very solid cycle. You should make quality, and very keepable gains. Most people seem to put no thought into what they use. I've got a friend who just randomly injects whatever shit he has laying around or happens to get a good deal on or trade into his stack. He's about 205, 18% bf right now with noticable gyno (yes he is using liquidex), and benches about 315. Last time I asked he was on 100 mg of prop a day, 200 mg of enathate 2 times a week, 75 mg of tren ed, 50 mg of winny eod, he had some primo amps laying around so used 300 or 400 mg the first 3 weeks of his cycle, one hgh kit, so he used 6 iu's a day until he ran out... its rediculous. He doesn't even compete.

[VOX - DEI]

LuckyDog, Your stats are incredible. The most I've ever pressed was 365 for 3 reps at 290~ lbs. 14% BF, 5'9" a couple years back.



P.S.
Awesome Cycle

[JacKel]

Damn LD, this is quite impressive. Thinking of running something very simular. keep up the good work.

--JacKel--

[Holden MacGroin, GW]

Great post. Really nice complete blood tests. I look forward to the rest of your results, and also to the post cycle blood tests. By the way, it looks like you might have some aquired food allergies due to the combination of the levels of monocytes, basophils and lymphocytes.

[archive_LuckyDog]

Well guys, I apologize for the absence, as I haven’t had the time lately to sit down, collect my thoughts and compose a meaningful and comprehensive post of my updates. It’s been exactly two weeks since my last update and I feel it is time for some more info. It’s funny how I look back at the original post that I wrote and mention how this would be an “Odyssey” of sorts. I knew that this summer I would be taking my training and aspirations to another level and sure enough, I’m right where I expected to be.

First off, the black and white numbers. My weight has leveled off at a daily weight of roughly 226-227 lbs. I know that it won’t get much higher with the extreme amount of conditioning that we do with every workout. I easily fluctuate between 225-230 on a daily basis but to be honest, I am quite happy with my current weight as 1) I am consistently getting leaner by gauging my progress in the mirror and 2) This is about the playing weight I would like to be at because on my frame to still be athletic and not “bulky/slow/mechanical” I feel that this weight is the upper limits of where I want to be. Keep in mind that athletic performance is my number one goal and not sheer weight gained. My midsection is the place where my most noticeable change is as I now see 4 abs constantly but the lower two still have that damn stubborn lower abdomen fat that seems like it will be the last fat to go. I am using yohimburn 4 days a week before training on my love handles/lower abdomen and nipples to help with the “puffy nipples” that I acquired from being an obese…well hell, plain out fat child…I still blame it on being my grandparents "Favorite gandchild" and their constant barrage of taking me to Ponderosa as a child and letting me eat until I would almost puke (Yes I did puke from eating too much at Ponderosa before as a child…in the restaurant actually while I was getting another plate of food, so I finished puking, cleaned up and went back at it again…lol) and also always constantly feeding me whenever I was around them…no matter if the food was healthy for me or not. I do have to attribute them to my love of going to Buffets and eating cleanly now…Ryans Steakhouse, Chinese Restaurants, Etc. just turn into “stuff as much lean protein down my mouth as possible fests.” But, I digress….Sorry for getting off track there, had to vent for a minute.

I love the increased vascularity I am gaining…it always makes you get a shit-grin on your face when you see a powerful veiny set of forearms in the mirror. Other than that, I have noticed that compared to my teammates that my body composition has changed more so this summer than any of them so far, but I also attribute that to pushing myself harder than almost all of them as well (And AAS)…Most of them take training and what we do as “I may want to be here but I don’t truly deep down with every inch of my soul WANT it that badly” which is what it takes if you truly want to push yourself to the upper edge.-But you're going to have athletes like that in every program. I’ll comment more on that a little later.

My ankle is doing much better and is now at roughly 90% on it’s own. It still swells after hard use which is to be expected for at least another month but on straight ahead running I am doing great. I am still weak when I try to cut and maneuver but I wear an ankle brace when I condition to help with support. The things that aggravates it the most are when I am doing constant cutting drills, when I try to jump (most noticeably when jumping off a diving board…lol, and when we are doing our swimming conditioning. We do sprints in the water, jumps/explosive movements, and it hurts the most when we have to hold kickboards and swim using only our legs…for some reason that just kills me still. But other than that it’s pretty damn good.

Strangely enough I haven’t noticed any side effects from my anabolic use except more active sebaceous glands-but even then it’s not that bad. I have to take at least two showers a day anyways because of my schedule and with a face wash that I have always used and just keeping clean I have had very minor acne flair ups. Maybe one or two more of the big, infected, sore type that don’t produce a white head, but are there, are sore and infected and pussy for a couple days to a week until they dry up and scab over…sorry for the gory description for the faint of heart…actually, you know what? You pussies, you shouldn’t be reading this anyways if that grosses you out! lol Other than that I haven’t noticed any side effects that are anything worth noting. My testicles have reduced in size a little, but nothing drastic…they’re not raisons or anything like most like to say. I feel the clomid every three weeks has probably helped a little bit. I have noticed no blood pressure problems, no bloody noses or headaches, nothing. Erections may be up a little, but I’m also 20 years old so I’m used to frequent erections anyways and it’s sad b/c I am on Test. And tried Viagra the other night for the first time and I still can’t keep up with this nympho of a girlfriend I now have. It’s actually pissing me off. But overall, I’m doing great.

On another note, my overall “well-being” and feeling of calmness may be enhanced a little but nothing drastic-This kinda bothers me sometimes too. I do feel that I’m usually in a good mood but I am a happy type of guy anyways. I have noticed that consciously I know I am on steroids and that my body is now an iron pumping, protein metabolizing, anabolic machine but I do not feel like I am invincible…or not much more so than I do anyways, once again being of my age. I guess the feeling just isn’t as strong as I had expected. But I have a feeling that as I get older and my natural testosterone levels drop and my endocrine system starts to do its natural process of breaking down that this will become more prominent as there will be a larger level of change between my “natural state” and my “supplemented state.”


Those are just some thoughts and updates and now onto the other aspects of what makes this journey an “odyssey”…the bad parts:

1) Besides the fact that the ankle is still healing I have noticed that my endurance has completely sucked to high hell. When we do distance runs, I am still out of “football/conditioning” shape and get my ass kicked. I know it will come with time and the amount of conditioning we do but it still frustrates me.—Don’t feel like fucking with EPO right now…too much on my plate already. Other supplement reccomendations are welcome.

2) From doing such heavy weights in squats and other compound explosive movements my lower back gets fatigued/pumped and painful as the workout wears on and I have to stretch it and relax for a minute to continue on. It’s most noticeable when we do running and as my legs get tired as well. I attribute some of this to blowing up our lower backs while lifting but also because of the fact that my hamstrings are tight and pull on my pelvic girdle, pulling it down and stretching/putting stress on my lower back. Feel free to chime in Killer and others if you have any ideas/opinions/suggestions.

3) From going up in weight and pushing my body day in and day out, I have gotten several strains…most noticeably my right pectoral was strained last week and had to skip bench this week to stop from aggravating it more and injuring myself drastically and really setting myself back. I hope to go full swing next week, plus it was kinda fun watching my lifting partners work their way up to 400lbs in bench then do 4 sets of 8 with 315 as work sets. They were about dead afterwards. My thoughts on this are that my muscles are adapting and growing at quite a rapid weight with my anabolic use and my tendons/ligaments aren’t strengthening as rapidly which puts me at an increased risk to injure myself with big weights…I know my muscles certainly as hell can handle them…now if I can only find something to help my ligaments to strengthen at a faster rate then I would be golden.—Suggestions???

Okay, the bad is over with and now I am just going to finish up with some random info. (Hell, this whole post has been kinda random as I’m just trying to put everything down that I wanted to say on paper…or on the “net” as is my case-Sorry if you’re having a hard time following)

Personal Info/Reflections:

Overall looking at where I am to this point in my cycle I have no regrets at all and I am also glad that I chose now to go to this level as it’s not only my supplement use that has stepped up a notch, but also our training/summer program as well. I guarantee that there aren’t many other schools out there busting their asses this hard at this time of the summer. I am now in week the middle of week 6 of my cycle, but only week 5 of my prop and I have a feeling that my best gains are still to come and I am eager to see what this last half brings me. Next Saturday will be the end of week seven (6 of Prop) and I will have the same blood tests done and will post the results as soon as I get them to compare, and show everyone how my blood chemistry looks at this point. The pain from the Prop has gone away for the most part…glutes are almost painless now as my muscles adapt to it and I haven’t noticed any bloat.

One thing that is really sticking out in my mind is the fact that I am seriously almost always feeling like I need more sleep. Since this summer started I seriously get at least 8-9 hours a night (Usually 6-7 tops during the school year-which is usually fine for me) and still feel I need more. I do know it’s because of the intensity of our workouts though as for two hours a night, four days a week, after working all day you completely are busting your balls and bringing your body to the point of failure. The intensity is so thick in the weight room that you can taste it, hell there are almost fights 1-2 times a week between the guys in the fucking weight room because there’s so much testosterone flowing…it’s beautiful. We teeter totter on the point of overtraining but with proper supplementation (which is great for me especially) we make great gains. My strength coach said it best the other night on commenting on how hard he’s pushing us in the weight room…”For the first four weeks I was just lubing you up, now I’m just gonna fucking shove it in and make it hurt” Which is true-He wasn’t lying one bit when he told us that. See, it’s against the NCAA rules for anything to be mandatory so everything we’re doing is voluntary but since we’re volunteering to be there, we’re trying to get the most out of it that we can, why? Because we want a ring…because we want to take it to another level. It’s competition and survival of the fittest in it’s finest, standing back and looking at it from a completely separate point of view, I think it’s beautiful, absolutely astonishing.

Well guys, it’s about time for me to make myself another meal so I hope I’ve shed a little light onto what it takes to be at that level…yes it’s a big part of my life, and as I re-read through this post it makes it sound as if it’s my entire life, but it’s not. That’s the key, that’s where the balance lies in separating the parts of your life but enjoying them equally. You see how I wrote in what I think is passionately about this whole ordeal and to be honest, it is how I truly feel, but that’s just it, I love reading a good book or spending time with family and friends and being outdoors on the water just as much, if not more so if I can leave everyone with a piece of advice, it’s this. Live your ENTIRE life passionately, enjoy moving the iron, but also enjoy your other endeavors as much for then I feel you can truly be fulfilled and happy. Keep in mind though that happiness is a state in time and your mind set at that point, and not a continual feeling that lasts forever.


P.S., If you actually took the time to read this entirely WAY TOO LONG and most likely halfways boring post then congrats to you as I certainly know I’d think the person who wrote this was half out of his mind and had way too much damn spare time on his hands. So in closing God speed and until next time, onward and upward my fellow brothers. Take care and peace out!

-LD-

P.S.S.—Killer and Fonz, you both have mail!!

Education is a continuous process ending only when ambition comes to a halt.
-Col. R. I. Rees

[archive_therealj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuckyDog:
And tried Viagra the other night for the first time and I still can’t keep up with this nympho of a girlfriend I now have. It’s actually pissing me off.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OHHHHh to have such problems

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>P.S., If you actually took the time to read this entirely WAY TOO LONG and most likely halfways boring post then congrats to you as I certainly know I’d think the person who wrote this was half out of his mind and had way too much damn spare time on his hands <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't have such problems...hence I read this whole damn thing while you were probably having sex

[archive_Ulter]

The sex drive/performance and feeling of well being should pick up dramatically next week. Thanks for posting all this bro, it's great stuff.

[archive_Flash]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>) Besides the fact that the ankle is still healing I have noticed that my endurance has completely sucked to high hell. When we do distance runs, I am still out of “football/conditioning” shape and get my ass kicked. I know it will come with time and the amount of conditioning we do but it still frustrates me.—Don’t feel like fucking with EPO right now…too much on my plate already. Other supplement reccomendations are welcome.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Caffiene:
400-800mg will boost endurance significantly. This was my favorite for MTB racing. Pre-workout Tyrosine, 3-5g, is a nice addition to this combo.

Glycerol:
keeps you super-hydrated and extends optimum performance. This stuf is great, especially if your in the south. Its been pretty well documented to extend endurance.

Rhodiola rosea:
This is one of the herbs Animal has been raving about for endurance. I have no personal experience with it, so its word of mouth, but I havent heard anyone say its bunk. Mr. Nobody has experience with it, so maybe he can chime in.

Potassium citrate or baking soda:
lactic acid buffers make recovery faster. IMO the biggest advantage of using LA buffers is that your not distracted by the "burn" so you can keep focused on the task at hand, whether its running distance or repettitive drills.

[Fonz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flash:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>) Besides the fact that the ankle is still healing I have noticed that my endurance has completely sucked to high hell. When we do distance runs, I am still out of “football/conditioning” shape and get my ass kicked. I know it will come with time and the amount of conditioning we do but it still frustrates me.—Don’t feel like fucking with EPO right now…too much on my plate already. Other supplement reccomendations are welcome.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Caffiene:
400-800mg will boost endurance significantly. This was my favorite for MTB racing. Pre-workout Tyrosine, 3-5g, is a nice addition to this combo.

Glycerol:
keeps you super-hydrated and extends optimum performance. This stuf is great, especially if your in the south. Its been pretty well documented to extend endurance.

Rhodiola rosea:
This is one of the herbs Animal has been raving about for endurance. I have no personal experience with it, so its word of mouth, but I havent heard anyone say its bunk. Mr. Nobody has experience with it, so maybe he can chime in.

Potassium citrate or baking soda:
lactic acid buffers make recovery faster. IMO the biggest advantage of using LA buffers is that your not distracted by the "burn" so you can keep focused on the task at hand, whether its running distance or repettitive drills.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No on Caffeine and Rhodiola Rosea. They suck.

Yes on Glycerol and PC.

But cap PC b/c it TASTES LIKE SHIT. Almost as bas as l-arginine.

I use 60ml glycerol+ 2L Water(flavoured with crystal light), and then add PC(30g) capped.

This is about 2-3 hrs pre-soccer(for me).

Makes a MASSIVE difference in endurance.

"Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people"

---- Fonz 6/2002

[archive_Ulter]

I agree with Mr Nobody. Rhodiola Rosea is a great supp.

[Fonz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
I agree with Mr Nobody. Rhodiola Rosea is a great supp.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry. I disagree.

As an adaptogen...in the REAL WORLD of athletes who run(endurance) its been a bust.

Why?

Because there are several kinds.

Sort of like the different purities of R-ALA.

You seriously don't know what you're getting.

And, unless you get an independent lab test done on it, you never will.

I'd skip it, until you run into the real thing(Which I have yet to find btw).

Fonz

"Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people"

---- Fonz 6/2002

[archive_Mr. Nobody]

Rhodiola Rosea worked great for me....gave me great stamina in my workouts....I'd rank it after EPO, creatine & B-12 for endurance increase. However, when I combined it with herbal ephedra and went with high doses (1000mg ed), I ended up with some wicked heart palpitations that scared the shit out of me.
http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/2...307#3803002307

More endurance related comments:
Glycerol did nothing for me
Gaterade or powerade with 5g creatine while working out works great
Ephedrine HCL\Caffeine goes either way...sometimes it helps, other times it hinders my workouts
Tried baking soda and ended up burping like a seal
Increased pumps:
Nothing beats creatine/dextrose/insulin
dbol is great below 40mg ed, any higher and back pumps negate any benefits
tried viagra pre workout and ended up looking like a beet
NOX2 sucked ass
B-12 works a little
pgf-2 was very temporary and not worth the pain nor strength loss

I might have forgotten some....



Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

[This message was edited by Mr. Nobody on 06-13-2003 at 07:57 AM.]

[This message was edited by Mr. Nobody on 06-13-2003 at 07:58 AM.]

[archive_Ulter]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I might have forgotten some....
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah you did.

[archive_Mr. Nobody]

Well utler, I was referring to endurance only...and pump
For increased strength, alertness and focus (due to CNS stimulating) while working out I give T-Rex a 9 and NYC an 8
Glucerell I like for keeping insulin low during the day, but as said repeatedly, I dont like it post workout.

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice.

[archive_Ulter]

[EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER]

[quote]Originally posted by Mr. Nobody:
Well utler, I was referring to endurance only...and pump
For increased strength, alertness and focus (due to CNS stimulating) while working out I give T-Rex a 9 and NYC an 8
Glucerell I like for keeping insulin low during the day, but as said repeatedly, I dont like it post workout.[quote]

Even if your dieting you wouldn't use it with your post workout meals with carbs?

EAST_COAST_BODYBUILDER

[Fonz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Nobody:
Rhodiola Rosea worked great for me....gave me great stamina in my workouts....I'd rank it after EPO, creatine & B-12 for endurance increase. However, when I combined it with herbal ephedra and went with high doses (1000mg ed), I ended up with some wicked heart palpitations that scared the shit out of me.
http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/2...307#3803002307

More endurance related comments:
Glycerol did nothing for me
Gaterade or powerade with 5g creatine while working out works great
Ephedrine HCL\Caffeine goes either way...sometimes it helps, other times it hinders my workouts
Tried baking soda and ended up burping like a seal
Increased pumps:
Nothing beats creatine/dextrose/insulin
dbol is great below 40mg ed, any higher and back pumps negate any benefits
tried viagra pre workout and ended up looking like a beet
NOX2 sucked ass
B-12 works a little
pgf-2 was very temporary and not worth the pain nor strength loss

I might have forgotten some....



_Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advice._

[This message was edited by Mr. Nobody on 06-13-2003 at 07:57 AM.]

[This message was edited by Mr. Nobody on 06-13-2003 at 07:58 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fine..great for workouts.

But did you run 3.5-5 miles afterwards in drills and the like?

I believe not.....and thats where Rho fails.

For workouts..its OK.

But for sports that reqyuire more endurance....football, soccer, basketball....it does very little to nothing.

Now EPO is another story. That works wonders.

We're kind of on an EPO craze right now in the NCAA.

Fonz

"Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people"

---- Fonz 6/2002

[archive_LuckyDog]

So Fonz, is the whole PC and Glycerol concoction the only thing you do pre-event day to help you prepare for a game concerning endurance? I was just wondering if you could elaborate on the whole endurance enhancers subject that you use a little more and also I'd like to talk to you about the whole EPO thing...have you ever tried it and what are your thoughts on it for competitive athletes such as us? (I know it's hard to compare you and me considering the disciplines of our sports but still) Thanks.

LD

Education is a continuous process ending only when ambition comes to a halt.
-Col. R. I. Rees

[Fonz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="**-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuckyDog:
So Fonz, is the whole PC and Glycerol concoction the only thing you do pre-event day to help you prepare for a game concerning endurance? I was just wondering if you could elaborate on the whole endurance enhancers subject that you use a little more and also I'd like to talk to you about the whole EPO thing...have you ever tried it and what are your thoughts on it for competitive athletes such as us? (I know it's hard to compare you and me considering the disciplines of our sports but still) Thanks.

LD

Education is a continuous process ending only when ambition comes to a halt.
-Col. R. I. Rees<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm at Uni now...sorry for not responding to your e-mail...but its been a hellish week...and its just getting worse.(MY CD-ROM Drive just broke)

But yes, the PC+Glycerol thing is all I do.

I also use a 75g Glucose drink mixed with 300mg R-ALA during my socceer drills and games.

Its something that few people have thought about...but it works amazingly well...because it drives glucose faster into your muscles...giving you more glycogen and energy.
Far better than a glucose polymer drink alone.


But the r-ala has to be mixed 30min before the event with the drink or it be