Another bridging topic...200mg of test a week??

Androx · 03-08-2002, 07:54 PM

I just took my last shot yesterday and am planning on bridging. I was going to bridge with ox and primo, but due to shortcommings of some people who will remain nameless this is not going to happen. I am considering trying morning dbol doses. However, I would like to get some info on another topic. Many of my friends have been taking 200mgs of test a week in between their cycles. I know that taking even low amounts of test will keep your natural testosterone production supressed. I am reluctant to try this because I want to be able to have kids in a few years. If I were to do this I would take *** before I started the maintenance dose of test. How hard would it be to get things going again if you were to use this method? How likely would it be that this could cause someone to eventually become permanently sterile?

Thanks,
andro

archive_Ulter · 03-08-2002, 07:59 PM

It will have little or nothing to do with your having kids. That's the stuff they tell you in High School to keep you away from AS. 200mg/wk of test is neither a good cycle nor is it a good bridge. Your right 200mg/wk will keep your natural test shut down so I can't think of a worse idea for a bridge, well I can but you know what I mean. You are MUCH better off with the dbol when you get up in the morning.

Androx · 03-08-2002, 08:19 PM

Thanks for the quick reply ulter. I was thinking that would be the case. I just wanted to get someone elses opinion besides that of my friends who are taking test to bridge who are a little biased. So I should wait to start the dbol until after I finish with the clomid, right?

androx

Ceelo · 03-11-2002, 11:18 AM

at a very very low dose (200mg may be pushing it) test taken with an effective aromatase inhibitor (femara, armidex) might not fully suppress the hpta, as the estrogen feedback loop is eliminated. Really just femara or letrozole will elevate test levels for this same reason, so you might not even need to add exogenous test.

Fonz · 03-11-2002, 11:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
It will have little or nothing to do with your having kids. That's the stuff they tell you in High School to keep you away from AS. 200mg/wk of test is neither a good cycle nor is it a good bridge. Your right 200mg/wk will keep your natural test shut down so I can't think of a worse idea for a bridge, well I can but you know what I mean. You are MUCH better off with the dbol when you get up in the morning.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm researching that perticular question.

The Dball vs Anavar All-in-the-morning debate
is still alive and kicking.

Just not convinced dball is better.

Fonz

ready2explode · 03-11-2002, 12:37 PM

Keep us posted Fonz...I'm searching for this answer also and would love to hear what you come up with...

archive_Ulter · 03-11-2002, 02:26 PM

Fonz if you aren't ready to say it then I will. Anavar is much better than dbol for bridging but he didn't give that as an option.

archive_Cyp · 03-11-2002, 04:09 PM

Now im curious.....How much Ox would be a good dose? Ox could be a pretty expensive bridge

archive_Mr. Nobody · 03-11-2002, 05:13 PM

as far as hpta goes, yes one time dosing of 10mg ox would be better than dbol. But how much better than no suppression can you get? I prefer to have the androgenic properties with my bridge when I am going that low (plus dopamine)

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise.

archive_Ulter · 03-11-2002, 06:07 PM

Aside from the hpta which ox wins without question my arguments for oxandrolone are based on the following:
1. You can get away with 20mg AM
2. There is never any aromatizing sides.
3. It’s much easier on your liver.

But if you're on a budget then dbol is the next best thing.

archive_Cyp · 03-11-2002, 06:16 PM

I'm going to side with Ulter on the this one....

If your bridging Dbol you still risk some side effects in my case hair-loss, and as far as i know Ox if particularly easy on your systom....

Androx · 03-11-2002, 06:39 PM

What are your opinions on primo? Do you still consider primo as a good anabolic to bridge with, say about 200mg/week?

androx

archive_Ulter · 03-11-2002, 06:47 PM

No I don't like primo as a bridge. I don't like primo period.

Androx · 03-11-2002, 08:48 PM

Why is it that you do not like primo? Would taking 200mgs/week of primo supress your natural production?

androx

King Samson · 03-12-2002, 01:12 AM

I'm going to try insulin as a bridge in a few weeks. It sounds like a good idea to me because it won't suppress your natural test production and your receptors have 100% time off.

archive_Ulter · 03-12-2002, 06:11 AM

No it probably won't surpress your HPTA but it won't do anything else either. At least with Oxandrolone you have a good chance of adding muscle while Primo will only help you hold on.

Fonz · 03-12-2002, 07:56 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Mr. Nobody:
as far as hpta goes, yes one time dosing of 10mg ox would be better than dbol. But how much better than no suppression can you get? I prefer to have the androgenic properties with my bridge when I am going that low (plus dopamine)

_Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise._
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You want dopamine? Then just use a dopamine
agonist or a dopaminergic up-take inhibitor.
No need to get the dopaminergic boost from
the methandrostenelone.

Fonz

Fonz · 03-12-2002, 08:00 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ulter:
No I don't like primo as a bridge. I don't like primo period.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ditto.

1. You have a very good chance of buyihng fake
Primo.
2. HURTS LIKE HELL!!!!
3. (Most importrant)
The dosage-HPTA recovery response curve is
almost impossible to predict. While
someone gets like Zero inhibition at 200mgs/week
another person gets totally inhibited at that dose.
4. Ease of use. Easier to dose pills than inj.

Now Primo tabs vs Anavar.....hmm....
that would be a VERY close call.

Fonz

archive_Mr. Nobody · 03-12-2002, 08:35 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Fonz:
You want dopamine? Then just use a dopamine
agonist or a dopaminergic up-take inhibitor.
No need to get the dopaminergic boost from
the methandrostenelone.

Fonz<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why not, I am saying its an added bonus. If I am specifically after dopamine alone I would not go with dbol. I would chose deprenyl then bromo.
I was syaing, that there is more to dbol then just raising test. These four attributes as in short duration, increased igf-1, dopamine and androgenic side effects, create a package which is appealing to me for bridging. Water retention or estrogen should not be a problem at 10mg ed.

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise.

Fonz · 03-13-2002, 06:18 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Mr. Nobody:
Quote: "Originally posted by Fonz:
You want dopamine? Then just use a dopamine
agonist or a dopaminergic up-take inhibitor.
No need to get the dopaminergic boost from
the methandrostenelone.

Fonz"

Why not, I am saying its an added bonus. If I am specifically after dopamine alone I would not go with dbol. I would chose deprenyl then bromo.
I was syaing, that there is more to dbol then just raising test. These four attributes as in short duration, increased igf-1, dopamine and androgenic side effects, create a package which is appealing to me for bridging. Water retention or estrogen should not be a problem at 10mg ed.

_Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise._
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahhhh... Mr.N goes down.......LOL

"Water retention or estrogen should not be a problem at 10mg ed".

Stress on "should not"

With Anavar there is no "should not".

Fonz

archive_Mr. Nobody · 03-13-2002, 08:34 AM

I am still kicking, not down yet...lol
If you are noticing estrogen problems with such a minute dose than add a 5th generation aromatize inhibitors (femara...). Notice I said femara in lieu of arimidex, cause I know your next move, sucker (igf-1, blah, blah) hehe Hey, it might actually raise your test production if done correctly. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

Disclaimer:
Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner.
The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise.

Verbal Gorilla · 03-13-2002, 09:44 PM

Do you guys work out in the morning when bridging with d-bol...And letrozole is the perfect bridge drug...

archive_Mr. Nobody · 03-14-2002, 06:04 AM

Actually no, I work out in the evenings. Rational being that dbol in the morning is only used to inhibit the naturally occuring morning catabolism, giving your body a "jump start" so to say. Later in the eve I work out with compound exercises in order to attempt a second test spike. It really felt great and I got stronger.
I am attempting to compile a low dose AAS programm with no HPTA inhibition and minimal liver impact to be done as an "exit" solution. (still got to figure in proviron)

Disclaimer:
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The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified

03-08-2002, 07:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
Androx Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 69 Rep Power: 5894	Another bridging topic...200mg of test a week?? I just took my last shot yesterday and am planning on bridging. I was going to bridge with ox and primo, but due to shortcommings of some people who will remain nameless this is not going to happen. I am considering trying morning dbol doses. However, I would like to get some info on another topic. Many of my friends have been taking 200mgs of test a week in between their cycles. I know that taking even low amounts of test will keep your natural testosterone production supressed. I am reluctant to try this because I want to be able to have kids in a few years. If I were to do this I would take *** before I started the maintenance dose of test. How hard would it be to get things going again if you were to use this method? How likely would it be that this could cause someone to eventually become permanently sterile? Thanks, andro

03-08-2002, 07:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21828	It will have little or nothing to do with your having kids. That's the stuff they tell you in High School to keep you away from AS. 200mg/wk of test is neither a good cycle nor is it a good bridge. Your right 200mg/wk will keep your natural test shut down so I can't think of a worse idea for a bridge, well I can but you know what I mean. You are MUCH better off with the dbol when you get up in the morning. __________________

03-11-2002, 11:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7546	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter: It will have little or nothing to do with your having kids. That's the stuff they tell you in High School to keep you away from AS. 200mg/wk of test is neither a good cycle nor is it a good bridge. Your right 200mg/wk will keep your natural test shut down so I can't think of a worse idea for a bridge, well I can but you know what I mean. You are MUCH better off with the dbol when you get up in the morning.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm researching that perticular question. The Dball vs Anavar All-in-the-morning debate is still alive and kicking. Just not convinced dball is better. Fonz __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

03-11-2002, 02:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21828	Fonz if you aren't ready to say it then I will. Anavar is much better than dbol for bridging but he didn't give that as an option. __________________

03-11-2002, 06:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21828	Aside from the hpta which ox wins without question my arguments for oxandrolone are based on the following: 1. You can get away with 20mg AM 2. There is never any aromatizing sides. 3. It’s much easier on your liver. But if you're on a budget then dbol is the next best thing. __________________

03-08-2002, 08:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
Androx Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 69 Rep Power: 5894	Thanks for the quick reply ulter. I was thinking that would be the case. I just wanted to get someone elses opinion besides that of my friends who are taking test to bridge who are a little biased. So I should wait to start the dbol until after I finish with the clomid, right? androx

03-11-2002, 11:18 AM	#4 (permalink)
Ceelo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 278 Rep Power: 6165	at a very very low dose (200mg may be pushing it) test taken with an effective aromatase inhibitor (femara, armidex) might not fully suppress the hpta, as the estrogen feedback loop is eliminated. Really just femara or letrozole will elevate test levels for this same reason, so you might not even need to add exogenous test.

03-11-2002, 12:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
ready2explode Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 4928	Keep us posted Fonz...I'm searching for this answer also and would love to hear what you come up with...

03-11-2002, 04:09 PM	#8 (permalink)
archive_Cyp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 786 Rep Power: 5991	Now im curious.....How much Ox would be a good dose? Ox could be a pretty expensive bridge

03-11-2002, 05:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
archive_Mr. Nobody Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 11861	as far as hpta goes, yes one time dosing of 10mg ox would be better than dbol. But how much better than no suppression can you get? I prefer to have the androgenic properties with my bridge when I am going that low (plus dopamine) Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise.

03-11-2002, 06:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
archive_Cyp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 786 Rep Power: 5991	I'm going to side with Ulter on the this one.... If your bridging Dbol you still risk some side effects in my case hair-loss, and as far as i know Ox if particularly easy on your systom....

03-11-2002, 06:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
Androx Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 69 Rep Power: 5894	What are your opinions on primo? Do you still consider primo as a good anabolic to bridge with, say about 200mg/week? androx

03-11-2002, 06:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21828	No I don't like primo as a bridge. I don't like primo period. __________________

03-11-2002, 08:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
Androx Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 69 Rep Power: 5894	Why is it that you do not like primo? Would taking 200mgs/week of primo supress your natural production? androx

03-12-2002, 01:12 AM	#15 (permalink)
King Samson Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 53 Rep Power: 5350	I'm going to try insulin as a bridge in a few weeks. It sounds like a good idea to me because it won't suppress your natural test production and your receptors have 100% time off. __________________ Pit Boy

03-12-2002, 06:11 AM	#16 (permalink)
archive_Ulter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 15,388 Rep Power: 21828	No it probably won't surpress your HPTA but it won't do anything else either. At least with Oxandrolone you have a good chance of adding muscle while Primo will only help you hold on. __________________

03-12-2002, 07:56 AM	#17 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7546	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Nobody: as far as hpta goes, yes one time dosing of 10mg ox would be better than dbol. But how much better than no suppression can you get? I prefer to have the androgenic properties with my bridge when I am going that low (plus dopamine) _Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise._ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You want dopamine? Then just use a dopamine agonist or a dopaminergic up-take inhibitor. No need to get the dopaminergic boost from the methandrostenelone. Fonz __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

03-12-2002, 08:00 AM	#18 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7546	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ulter: No I don't like primo as a bridge. I don't like primo period.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Ditto. 1. You have a very good chance of buyihng fake Primo. 2. HURTS LIKE HELL!!!! 3. (Most importrant) The dosage-HPTA recovery response curve is almost impossible to predict. While someone gets like Zero inhibition at 200mgs/week another person gets totally inhibited at that dose. 4. Ease of use. Easier to dose pills than inj. Now Primo tabs vs Anavar.....hmm.... that would be a VERY close call. Fonz __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

03-12-2002, 08:35 AM	#19 (permalink)
archive_Mr. Nobody Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 11861	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fonz: You want dopamine? Then just use a dopamine agonist or a dopaminergic up-take inhibitor. No need to get the dopaminergic boost from the methandrostenelone. Fonz<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Why not, I am saying its an added bonus. If I am specifically after dopamine alone I would not go with dbol. I would chose deprenyl then bromo. I was syaing, that there is more to dbol then just raising test. These four attributes as in short duration, increased igf-1, dopamine and androgenic side effects, create a package which is appealing to me for bridging. Water retention or estrogen should not be a problem at 10mg ed. Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise.

03-13-2002, 06:18 AM	#20 (permalink)
Fonz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,857 Rep Power: 7546	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mr. Nobody: Quote: "Originally posted by Fonz: You want dopamine? Then just use a dopamine agonist or a dopaminergic up-take inhibitor. No need to get the dopaminergic boost from the methandrostenelone. Fonz" Why not, I am saying its an added bonus. If I am specifically after dopamine alone I would not go with dbol. I would chose deprenyl then bromo. I was syaing, that there is more to dbol then just raising test. These four attributes as in short duration, increased igf-1, dopamine and androgenic side effects, create a package which is appealing to me for bridging. Water retention or estrogen should not be a problem at 10mg ed. _Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise._ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Ahhhh... Mr.N goes down.......LOL "Water retention or estrogen should not be a problem at 10mg ed". Stress on "should not" With Anavar there is no "should not". Fonz __________________ &quot;Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about facts, and weak minds talk about people&quot; ---- Fonz 6/2002

03-13-2002, 08:34 AM	#21 (permalink)
archive_Mr. Nobody Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 5,080 Rep Power: 11861	I am still kicking, not down yet...lol If you are noticing estrogen problems with such a minute dose than add a 5th generation aromatize inhibitors (femara...). Notice I said femara in lieu of arimidex, cause I know your next move, sucker (igf-1, blah, blah) hehe Hey, it might actually raise your test production if done correctly. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] Disclaimer: Mr. Nobody is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way, shape or form encourage, use nor condone the use of any illegal substances or the use of legal substances in an illegal manner. The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only and shall not take the place of qualified medical advise.

03-13-2002, 09:44 PM	#22 (permalink)
Verbal Gorilla Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 165 Rep Power: 6030	Do you guys work out in the morning when bridging with d-bol...And letrozole is the perfect bridge drug...