EQ Aromitization Pathway Question

[Shooter]

Does EQ aromitise much...if so to what.

It is pretty well known that Test & DBOL turn to Estrogen or DHT. Nandrolone aromitizes to Progesteron. EQ....?

[Huckleberry Finnaplex]

It exhibits very low estrogenic conversion.To the best of my knowledge,it possesses no progestogenic properties,so to answer your question,any possible gyno probs would be estrogen related,but it's pretty rare with eq used alone...

[archive_Bchemist]

Unless I completely misunderstood what I read a long time ago, eq aromatizes via a similiar (if not the same) mechanism as testosterone. People who are sensitive to testosterone will therefore be sensitive to eq, although at a much lesser degree.

[300 kleen]

Both Juice Willis & Bchemist are correct. It will only convert to estrogen at very high doses. It's chemical structure is very similar to that of D-bol, surprisingly.




300 kleen

[X-Man]

I am getting test like sides from eq...bloating..agressiveness..

[Shooter]

Thanks for good replies...as usual. I am always impressed by the quality/experience of respondents on this board. I wonder how long this will last!

Someone just told me that EQ, when taken at HIGH doses actually aromotises to Test! That might explain the test like sides...as that's what it can become. From there the Test can follow the std routes to DHT or Est. Makes sense....

[E2]

Really x-man i'm suprised you're bloating on eq, i've never had that problem, it tends to make me very vascular and a little on edge more than test does though.

[Anabolicum Mr.]

I have heard of eq converting to testosterone in dogs. In humans, neither testosterone nor estradiol are major "excreted" metabolites. This is not to say that it doesn't happen, just that it is not a major metabolic pathway.

[TEXASAMM]

I have never bloated on EQ .But I have never gone over 500mgs a week either.I seem to harden up some but this could be wishful thinking because I keep a pump longer.It does help with my appetite to some degree .

[Decaman]

X how much are you using-tell me 600mg , and thats why your bloating, and what have you been eating?




I AM DECAMAN-DAMN GOOD TO BE ME!

[archive_Ranger]

300 Kleen is right...EQ was developed by Ciba in 1948 as a longer acting Dbol injectable. Chemically they are almost identical with the following differences:

1. Dbol is a 17AA steroid, and will pass through the liver several times.
2. EQ will pass through the liver only once.
3. EQ will aromatize into a simple estrogen, while Dbol will aromatize into a 17AA estrogen(meaning, it will stay in the system for a longer peroid of time, unaffected by the liver).
4. Eq has the ester chain...Undecylenate...which is very long acting and has a release date of around 28 days after injecting....

EQ is good shit Bro...

Ranger

[Shooter]

Very good info....

Interesting how a slight change in chemical structure makes such a big difference in how the compound acts.

Will a drug like arimidex have the same effect on std estrogem vs 17aa estrogen??

Also, how much does the ester chain add to moleculare weight (approximately). In other words, mg for mg how much less active element is there in EQ realtive to DBOL because of the Undecylenate?

[archive_Ranger]

Armidex will work on any estrogen Bro...

Armidex is a non-competitive inhibator...meaning it stops estrogen from forming in a sense, and studies have shown it can reduce Prog. induced gyno to the point of nullity.

Nolvadex is a competitive inhibator, meaning it competes for the estrogen recepter....Super high dosages, or if your very prone to gyno, go with the Armidex...Nolva and Clomid would suffice for all others...

The structure was changed to slow down the release time of the active agent, hence, you won't notice alot from EQ until 15 to 20 days....of course with dbol, give it a week....heh heh heh...I can't help it, but I love those little fuckers....

Ranger

[Shooter]

Ranger,

I had heard specifically that arimidex was NOT effective vs progesterone, hence the interest in RU486.....

Is this incorrect? If arimidex does work vs. progesterone that is way cool. In any case, I plan on making it part of any cycle.

[archive_Ranger]

Studies mind you, no scientific reports...and most of this I relate through Macro...

Armidex will not prevent Prog. gyno, however...STUDIES have shown it to reduce existing gyno almost to the point of nullity...

RU-486....Yup, the dosages...I'm not sure. This drug also reduces Cortisol in great quanities...Most feel this to be great, and prevent you from becoming catabolic in state...

However, by reducing these levels drastically, I feel you would be setting yourself up to experience more muscle pulls, or tears for that matter....Winny has this potential, but to a MUCH lesser degree, and alot of winny users on strict diest experience a larger amount of muscle problems....I'm digging up all the info I can on RU-486...Peace!!!

Ranger